JT to Whip Assisted Suicide Vote

[poochy]

You would think CPCers would be sympathetic to their own MP Stephen Fletcher, whose own irrevocable, non-terminal medical condition made him go against his party on this (and subsequently get thrown out of Cabinet). Empathy certainly isn't their strong suit.

Thanks for dropping by with your drive by insult, it really adds to a conversation that is both serious and personal to a lot of people. Including "CPCers".

[Guest]

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/john-moore-i-support-assisted-suicide-but-what-were-proposing-goes-too-far

The state should NOT! be killing otherwise physically healthy people because they're sad.

The state should not be forcing people to live if they don't want to. And if those people who don't want to can get professional help, the state shouldn't intervene.

I daresay a doctor won't kill someone just because they are sad.

Edited March 4, 2016 by bcsapper

[On Guard for Thee]

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/john-moore-i-support-assisted-suicide-but-what-were-proposing-goes-too-far

The state should NOT! be killing otherwise physically healthy people because they're sad.

Any doctor that does that will at least lose their license, and likely go to jail.

[Guest]

Any doctor that does that will at least lose their license, and likely go to jail.

But then they would be sad...

[Boges]

It wont. Sadness is not a "grievous and irremediable medical condition".

Not is clinical depression.

[Guest]

Not is clinical depression.

If someone is depressed enough to want to die, why do want to force them to live?

[dre]

If someone is depressed enough to want to die, why do want to force them to live?

Because depression is a treatable condition in the majority of cases. But if a person suffers severe depression or other mental illnesses and does not respond to treatment over time I guess you could consider it a grievous and irremediable medical condition, so in extreme cases maybe PAS will be available to them.

And nobody is forcing anyone to live... These people are requesting action from another party - in this case the medical system, government, and taxpayers. If you ask me to kill you and I refuse am I "forcing you to live"? Of course not... I'm just refusing to provide a service for you.

[Guest]

Because depression is a treatable condition in the majority of cases. But if a person suffers severe depression or other mental illnesses and does not respond to treatment over time I guess you could consider it a grievous and irremediable medical condition, so in extreme cases maybe PAS will be available to them.

And nobody is forcing anyone to live... These people are requesting action from another party - in this case the medical system, government, and taxpayers. If you ask me to kill you and I refuse am I "forcing you to live"? Of course not... I'm just refusing to provide a service for you.

If you prevent someone else from helping you are.

If you personally refuse to perform an abortion on a woman you are not forcing her to give birth to a child. If you prevent anyone else performing the abortion, you are.

[BubberMiley]

Thanks for dropping by with your drive by insult, it really adds to a conversation that is both serious and personal to a lot of people. Including "CPCers".

Is it really a serious and personal issue for CPCers to want to decide other people's lives for them? I thought it was more reactionary.

[poochy]

Is it really a serious and personal issue for CPCers to want to decide other people's lives for them? I thought it was more reactionary.

Yawn, you came in to do what you do, meanwhile everyone complains about that guy from south of us, i can't see a single bit of difference between you and him.

O and fyi, the liberals are also going to be "deciding other peoples lives for them", unless you actually believe there will be an assisted death free for all, which of course their won't be. Also, your question, Is it really personal for CPCers, is utterly stupid. Maybe try adding something real to the discussion next time instead of doing that thing you do.

[BubberMiley]

O and fyi, the liberals are also going to be "deciding other peoples lives for them", unless you actually believe there will be an assisted death free for all, which of course their won't be. Also, your question, Is it really personal for CPCers, is utterly stupid.

It's unlikely to be a free for all because there aren't a lot of people clamoring for assistance in their suicide as it is. However, people like former MP Steven Fletcher have no other choice than to request assistance in such a case. It baffles me why people feel it's their right to deny him the right to get that assistance if he ever wanted it. You can try and change the subject to make it all about me, but that just makes it obvious you're having a hard time defending your position.

[SunnyWays]

With too broad a brush, assisted suicide works its way into the societal domain as an accepted way to end one's life and dangerously - gives argument to personal suicide (not assisted) being more accepted in the minds of the more vulnerable. Teenagers breaking up, bouts of mild depression, treatable mental issues - all can fall prey to this "acceptance" of suicide - if too broad a brush is used to define the parameters of assisted suicide.

[BubberMiley]

With too broad a brush, assisted suicide works its way into the societal domain as an accepted way to end one's life and dangerously - gives argument to personal suicide (not assisted) being more accepted in the minds of the more vulnerable. Teenagers breaking up, bouts of mild depression, treatable mental issues - all can fall prey to this "acceptance" of suicide - if too broad a brush is used to define the parameters of assisted suicide.

Slippery slope arguments are rarely prophetic.

[m120]

Firstly im happy this is my first post and am happy to discuss different political opinions.

Now on this matter the supreme court has forced the government's hand, i do believe that Trudeau announcing he'll whip liberal MP isnt the best way to look at this.