Ontario's deficit and debt-entirely the Liberal Party's fault

[Argus]

So in other words you want to criticize them for doing what they say they will do. Gotcha.

Do you enjoy raising straw men and then knocking them down in triumph?

[On Guard for Thee]

Even the lefties say that the amount of this tax is not enough to change people's habits. As was pointed out in the cite, people use their car to go places they need to get to. They're not going to change that for an extra five cents a liter.

That's why the lefties suggest it will eventually be raised to over 40 cents.

It's around 7 cents in BC and has proven to cause people to change their driving habits. Righties need to look beyond their own horizons from time to time.

[Smallc]

Even the lefties say that the amount of this tax is not enough to change people's habits. As was pointed out in the cite, people use their car to go places they need to get to. They're not going to change that for an extra five cents a liter.

That's why the lefties suggest it will eventually be raised to over 40 cents.

Yes, and? If the initial amounts aren't enough, you raise it - the same philosophy I was talking about. There's a reason that Ontario is spending billions in transit, regional rail, and high speed rail.

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[On Guard for Thee]

Do you enjoy raising straw men and then knocking them down in triumph?

No straw men, just trying to sort out your inconsistency. On the one hand you are critical of them not using cap and trade revenue toward the deficit, then you would be critical if they did do that because they said they would use it for climate change efforts. Can't have it both ways.

[Argus]

Yes, and? If the initial amounts aren't enough, you raise it - the same philosophy I was talking about. There's a reason that Ontario is spending billions in transit, regional rail, and high speed rail.

Stupidity?

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, and? If the initial amounts aren't enough, you raise it - the same philosophy I was talking about. There's a reason that Ontario is spending billions in transit, regional rail, and high speed rail.

Let's hope they are better at that than building modest, two lane bridges like the Nipigon.

[Smallc]

Stupidity?

You think that transit and rail infrastructure are stupid?

[Argus]

No straw men, just trying to sort out your inconsistency. On the one hand you are critical of them not using cap and trade revenue toward the deficit, then you would be critical if they did do that because they said they would use it for climate change efforts. Can't have it both ways.

Again with your imaginary dialogue. I am critical of them for imposing the tax in the first place, not for what they're spending it on. Though if they were going to impose yet another new tax it would at least make more sense to spend it on reducing the deficit rather than spending it on yet more government programs.

[Smallc]

Let's hope they are better at that than building modest, two lane bridges like the Nipigon.

It was actually half of a four lane bridge. It's nearly repaired, from what I understand.

[bush_cheney2004]

It was actually half of a four lane bridge. It's nearly repaired, from what I understand.

If not, raise more taxes until they get it right. It's the right thing to do !

[Argus]

You think that transit and rail infrastructure are stupid?

Much of it seems to be so far. Ottawa used to have a reasonably efficient transit system which was reasonably cost effective. That wasn't good enough, so then we got a vastly expensive 'transitway' which made the cost of operating buses skyrocket. Now there are miles and miles of roads and huge stations to maintain. Now we're getting light rail, which will again raise the cost of public transit still higher. The figures the Ontario government is throwing around for estimated increases in ridership are a joke.

[Smallc]

So you don't understand transit - that's fine. There's a reason that larger cities (Ottawa is Canada's 6th largest city, and the largest city in Canada without rail transit) build rail transit. Being uninformed and calling something stupid doesn't really say much.

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[Smallc]

If not

There is another side of the bridge under construction. Apparently, no bridges have ever failed anywhere else.

[On Guard for Thee]

Again with your imaginary dialogue. I am critical of them for imposing the tax in the first place, not for what they're spending it on. Though if they were going to impose yet another new tax it would at least make more sense to spend it on reducing the deficit rather than spending it on yet more government programs.

Yeah people don't like it when you impose a cost based on countering global warming, and then take it into general revenues. No matter what you think of Wynne, I think she is too smart for that.

[The_Squid]

Let's hope they are better at that than building modest, two lane bridges like the Nipigon.

There is another side of the bridge under construction. Apparently, no bridges have ever failed anywhere else.

Everyone knows bridges in the States never fail....

http://www.desertsun.com/story/news/2016/02/12/state-rejects-claim-damages--10-bridge-collapse/80257186/

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/local/article57724738.html

http://www.globalconstructionreview.com/news/10-americas-bridges-ar7e-structura7lly-defici7ent/

[Ash74]

You think that transit and rail infrastructure are stupid?

It depends on how the money is spent.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/02/25/how-to-avoid-the-next-up-express-debacle.html

There is another side of the bridge under construction. Apparently, no bridges have ever failed anywhere else.

By itself this is a dumb thing

Mixed in with soooooooo many other Government projects it just seems business as usual for the Ontario Liberals

[Smallc]

Mixed in with soooooooo many other Government projects it just seems business as usual for the Ontario Liberals

You think they designed the bridge? Are you serious?

[Smallc]

It depends on how the money is spent.

http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2016/02/25/how-to-avoid-the-next-up-express-debacle.html

The UP Express was a vanity project. The Crosstown LRT should have went to the airport instead, as originally planned.

[Ash74]

You think they designed the bridge? Are you serious?

No. If they had it would have been a real disaster.

My point was that if the Ontario Liberals build it something will go wrong.

[Ash74]

The UP Express was a vanity project. The Crosstown LRT should have went to the airport instead, as originally planned.

It is the Ontario Liberal tradition to build the wrong thing or in the wrong place

[bush_cheney2004]

There is another....failed

Yes...reminds me of the Liberal gas plant(s).

[Smallc]

Yes...reminds me of the Liberal gas plant(s).

What you just did is against the rules. I'll allow you to change it rather than reporting it.

[bush_cheney2004]

What you just did is against the rules. I'll allow you to change it rather than reporting it.

I'll make you a deal...leave my posts alone and I won't mess with yours either. The gas plants were a hint of things to come continuing.

[GostHacked]

Good thing Canadian's don't give a damn about what Americans think.

[Argus]

So you don't understand transit - that's fine. There's a reason that larger cities (Ottawa is Canada's 6th largest city, and the largest city in Canada without rail transit) build rail transit. Being uninformed and calling something stupid doesn't really say much.

Saying 'you don't understand transit' is not an argument, but a sneer. You've evidenced no particularly deep understanding of it yourself, and certainly show a blithe disregard for anything remotely related to responsible spending. Which, I suppose is almost the trademark of the 'progressive'.