bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 To an extent, but then why go through the legal process if one can by a gun smuggled across the border? I'm just waiting for the usual second guessing and legal check downs for firearms purchase, legal owner, licensing, yada, yada, yada that we always get for other "shootings". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 No need to presume anything the RCMP website states (your linked) form that supports the licensing process for Aboriginal people, maintains all the safety requirements of the Firearms Act. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 the RCMP website states (your linked) form that supports the licensing process for Aboriginal people, maintains all the safety requirements of the Firearms Act. No it doesn't........that is why it is called an Adaptation From the link: All firearms licence applicants are screened for activities and behaviour that may present safety risks. The Chief Firearms Officer (CFO) for the province or territory will investigate all safety concerns and take warranted and appropriate action. In some cases, the CFO may refuse to issue a licence or impose conditions that limit the use of a firearm. Eligible Aboriginal applicants concerned about being refused a licence or having conditions placed on their licence may ask an elder or leader in their community for a recommendation confirming the importance of the applicant engaging in traditional hunting practices. The CFO must take these recommendations into consideration. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 I'm just waiting for the usual second guessing and legal check downs for firearms purchase, legal owner, licensing, yada, yada, yada that we always get for other "shootings". In all honesty, I doubt this will get anywhere near the same attention of school shootings in the United States or if it had of taken place in school in a major Canadian city. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 In all honesty, I doubt this will get anywhere near the same attention of school shootings in the United States or if it had of taken place in school in a major Canadian city. Thanks for stating exactly what I was thinking. We'll see just how much the gun grabbers really "care" about a "school shooting" in northern Sask. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 I think it will get lots of attention because it's such a terrible incident, and so rare here. After all, sad as it is to say, when they happen once a week or so in the US, it almost seems expected. Quote
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 No it doesn't........that is why it is called an Adaptation From the link: no - as I said... and from your own supplied link to the related page within the RCMP website: These adaptations facilitate the licensing process for Aboriginal people under unique circumstances while maintaining all the safety requirements of the Firearms Act. . Quote
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Thanks for stating exactly what I was thinking. We'll see just how much the gun grabbers really "care" about a "school shooting" in northern Sask. who is "grabbing guns"? Please sir, there is no need to import U.S. jingoistic nonsense here! Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Thanks for stating exactly what I was thinking. We'll see just how much the gun grabbers really "care" about a "school shooting" in northern Sask. It is what it is..........a First Nations youth kills family members and others in his impoverished community with a duck gun, will garner as much attention as the daily killings of young Blacks in your country. Poverty, substance abuse and lack of (mental)healthcare in these communities get little coverage, and in turn, attention. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 It is what it is..........a First Nations youth kills family members and others in his impoverished community with a duck gun, will garner as much attention as the daily killings of young Blacks in your country. Poverty, substance abuse and lack of (mental)healthcare in these communities get little coverage, and in turn, attention. All true, except this was a "school shooting"...need to see lots more bleeding hearts because of that. Do it for the kids ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 I think it will get lots of attention because it's such a terrible incident, and so rare here. After all, sad as it is to say, when they happen once a week or so in the US, it almost seems expected. now that would have made a most sensible point of discussion within an OP! Rare... but directed concern relative to unique circumstances. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 no - as I said... and from your own supplied link to the related page within the RCMP website: . Waldo, I quoted for you the passage (and provided the actual form) that allows First Nations a "do-over" if they get a reference from a Elder.........that isn't available to other Canadians.............I don't fault past Canadian Governments, as these enshrined Treaty Rights were granted by the Crown (through various Upper Canada Treaties and the Douglas Treaties here in BC) hundreds of years ago when they got placed on reserves....... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 ...I don't fault past Canadian Governments, as these enshrined Treaty Rights were granted by the Crown (through various Upper Canada Treaties and the Douglas Treaties here in BC) hundreds of years ago when they got placed on reserves....... Hey...I like that...kinda like "gun rights" in a neighbouring country. Go Natives ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Waldo, I quoted for you the passage and I quoted for you the statement (from your own supplied link) that corroborates my earlier statement indicating, per the RCMP, that form {and related processing of that form} maintains all the safety requirements of the Firearms Act. . Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Hey...I like that...kinda like "gun rights" in a neighbouring country. Go Natives ! They do have "gun rights"........as mentioned previous Governments were obligated to provide firearms (namely Milsurps SMLEs form the previous World Wars) and ammo.....and now that military stocks of .303 British are gone, money for commercial ammo is granted instead. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 and I quoted for you the statement (from your own supplied link) that corroborates my earlier statement indicating, per the RCMP, that form {and related processing of that form} maintains all the safety requirements of the Firearms Act. . And the purpose of the Adaptation? Why would a First Nations person be concerned with a rejection from the CFO? And why are community elders given further weight in the process? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 now that would have made a most sensible point of discussion within an OP! Rare... but directed concern relative to unique circumstances. I sincerely hope that the latter part of my previous statement becomes ever less pertinent, but alas I somehow doubt it will. Last I heard about the current situation here is the boy shot his 2 brothers before heading to the school. I wonder if bad drugs were a factor. I guess we will find out in days to come. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 It always amazes me that when such tragedies occur, some people can reduce the conversation down so low as to drone on about what calibre of gun, or hollow point bullets were used. Talk about head in the sand! Quote
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 And the purpose of the Adaptation? Why would a First Nations person be concerned with a rejection from the CFO? And why are community elders given further weight in the process? who cares? Was your intent to suggest a safety related causal tie to the shooting relative to the process/form distinction? If so, why are you so reluctant/hesitant to state exactly that... explicitly that? In any case, again, that statement on the RCMP website counters your intent... if that was your intent! . Quote
Topaz Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 It appears that the guy snapped mentally and time will tell us why, but if he had a knife or another weapon other than a gun, those people would had a better chance of surviving the attack. Guns are always the #1 choice because its easier to hurt or kill someone. To BC, u really should watch what u comment on because most of the time , u being an American, your country has many problems, and u r calling the kettle black, why go, you vs them attitude. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 .... To BC, u really should watch what u comment on because most of the time , u being an American, your country has many problems, and u r calling the kettle black, why go, you vs them attitude. No, I was calling the kettle "white", and maybe you will follow your own advice in the future concerning shootings or any other "problems" in other countries. There will be another school shooting in the United States, just like in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 No, I was calling the kettle "white", and maybe you will follow your own advice in the future concerning shootings or any other "problems" in other countries. There will be another school shooting in the United States, just like in Canada.Yeah you guys are overdue. It's been over a week after all. Quote
overthere Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Want to know how it actually works in many northern communities? Few firearms are registered, few First Nations people bother with are license. , The RCMP are aware and do nothing about it, because they just do not want the taint of racism or to get into constitutional challenges. Everybody everywhere is well lawyered up. A few are licensed, they buy ammunition for many of their friends, neighbours and kin. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 No, I was calling the kettle "white", and maybe you will follow your own advice in the future concerning shootings or any other "problems" in other countries. good on ya for openly expressing the reason for your thread - presumed teachable moments stand the test of... those you would presume to teach! Yes, Canada just had a school related shooting where 2 persons were killed in the school... as I said, a grand historical count of ~ a dozen school shootings in Canada. Given the prior post that pointed out a relative comparison of that historical count to the average United States figure of 1 school shooting per week, do you feel your advice has merit? . Quote
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Yeah you guys are overdue. It's been over a week after all. here's one - Jan22... not sure if this is the latest: Teen shot in leg following basketball game at Lawrence Central High School and then there's the unique U.S. equivalent to the pulling a fire-alarm crank, where just this week: Bomb and shooting threats target dozens of schools across U.S. Quote
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