bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Breaking news from the CBC - 5 4 2 dead and others injured in a mass shooting at a school in Saskatchewan. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/la-loche-community-school-lock-down-jan22-1.3416143 The sad part is that it is really not news any more. The location may change and the carnage may vary but shootings still happen in a country with strict gun control laws and very high gun ownership. Are school shootings becoming normal in Canada? What can be done to stop this senseless gun violence ? Will PM Trudeau address the nation to demand changes ? Edited January 24, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 no worries... historically, Canada's number of school shootings numbers less than a dozen. As of today, since 2013, there have been at least 163 school shootings in the United States — an average of nearly one a week. nice try! Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 The sad part is that it is really not news any more. The location may change and the carnage may vary but shootings still happen in a country with strict gun control laws and very high gun ownership. Three things to point out, first Canada's Northern communities have a crime rate upwards to four times greater than the National average. Second, in said Northern communities, there are very few mental health/substance abuse resources made available to the largely First Nations communities, and said communities themselves often resemble the Third World. In La Loche itself, they have four times the National average of suicides. Finally, with regards to our firearms laws (as I've spoken to several times) there are serious, gaping holes associated with the Firearms Act and the issuance of PALs to First Nations. In most cases, an applicant can skirt the various steps afforded to other applicants (Criminal/Mental health checks etc), to meet a right for sustenance hunting, with a letter from band elders. In some instances though, I'm not sure with this Cree Nation, First Nations peoples are given firearms/ammo as per their Treaty Rights by the Government......... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 Well, I am sure Canada's newly minted prime minister will provide more reaction and strong leadership on this issue, in between selfies, of course. School shootings in Canada are not all that rare....this one has just been added to the Wiki scoreboard. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 While I am sure that everybody with an agenda will be trying to use this tragedy to push their personal agenda, I have done a little research about that native community and found some interesting information; La Loche has a population of about 2,500 people. In 2010, two men from that town were charged with murder. I was watching the CTV coverage of this shooting and Craig Oliver, the oldest reporter for that channel stated that he remembered that in the very early 1960,s, as a cub reporter, he covered a m ass shooting of about 6 people at La Loche. He remembered specifically because the RCMP were roundly criticized at the time for loading the dead in the back of a pickup truck to get them to the nearest center for processing. I have tried searching the Internet for confirmation but have been unable to find a verification. If you find one please share it here. Craig Oliver is a very respected senior journalist and has no reason (except his age) to misrepresent his memories. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Well, I am sure Canada's newly minted prime minister will provide more reaction and strong leadership on this issue, in between selfies, of course. School shootings in Canada are not all that rare....this one has just been added to the Wiki scoreboard. Yes they are quite rare by comparison with the US. Sorry. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 Canada's state broadcaster has done the usual thing...presenting school shootings history: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/deadly-shootings-schools-canada-1.3416685 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Canada's state broadcaster has done the usual thing...presenting school shootings history: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/deadly-shootings-schools-canada-1.3416685 Of course.........in other media, two of the four victims were the alleged shooters brothers, of which he shot at home......then went to school and shot and killed a young teacher and shot several other students......... Quote
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Canada's state broadcaster... really? You're back to that? If you're looking for more of a reaction, when you keep using that labeling you'll get one from me... all day long! As always, try crown corporation... a national public radio/television broadcaster... with an online web-site presence. Is PBS the U.S. state broadcaster? Quote
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Yes they are quite rare by comparison with the US. Sorry. yup! In my earlier post, I said 'a dozen' historically in Canada... kinda pales relative to that U.S. 1 school shooting per week average I referenced. Clearly, MLW threads highlighting the U.S. gun culture violence/death are a real sore point for some here. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) yup! In my earlier post, I said 'a dozen' historically in Canada... kinda pales relative to that U.S. 1 school shooting per week average I referenced. Clearly, MLW threads highlighting the U.S. gun culture violence/death are a real sore point for some here. Especially when confronted with the actual stats. Not sure how they reckon to offset the facts. Oh well. Edited January 23, 2016 by On Guard for Thee Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 As usual, some Canadians seek comfort and solace by pointing at school shootings in other nations. It's a time honoured coping skill for them, no matter what the topic. Blame the NRA too. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) As usual, some Canadians seek comfort and solace by pointing at school shootings in other nations. It's a time honoured coping skill for them, no matter what the topic. Blame the NRA too. what solace were you seeking... with this thread of yours? Edited January 23, 2016 by waldo Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 As usual, some Canadians seek comfort and solace by pointing at school shootings in other nations. It's a time honoured coping skill for them, no matter what the topic. Blame the NRA too. I believe it was Shady who was blaming the NRA. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Blame the NRA too. Some could/will, regardless of logic..........I of course would point to this: Aboriginal Peoples of Canada Adaptations Regulations (Firearms) Application versus this: Application for a Possession and Acquisition Licence Under the Firearms Act (for Individuals Aged 18 and Over) As an area worthy of further examination, but more so, the third world conditions found on most remote Northern reserves/hamlets. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Some could/will, regardless of logic..........I of course would point to this: Krikey...why do they care about "conjugal" partners ? Does that include one night stands ? I guess they want to give partners a head up before the guns go a blazin'. Does the RCMP have jurisdiction on native lands, where firearms are quite common ? Edited January 23, 2016 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Krikey...why do they care about "conjugal" partners ? Does that include one night stands ? Does the RCMP have jurisdiction on native lands, where firearms are quite common ? Yes they do, but I'm surprised you have to ask being the Canadian "expert" you purport to be. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 (edited) Krikey...why do they care about "conjugal" partners ? Does that include one night stands ? Does the RCMP have jurisdiction on native lands, where firearms are quite common ? Edited January 23, 2016 by On Guard for Thee Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Krikey...why do they care about "conjugal" partners ? Does that include one night stands ? I think that would be obvious. Does the RCMP have jurisdiction on native lands, where firearms are quite common ? To an extent, but dependent on Nation, most have had Treaty Rights granted by the Crown to firearms before there was an RCMP.......or Canada.......jurisdiction is subjective, if one was tempted to take away firearms from the First Nations they'd better use the Army, and be prepared for an Oka like crisis weekly......good luck with that. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 23, 2016 Author Report Posted January 23, 2016 I think that would be obvious. Yes, but very incomplete if the goal is to notify all potential targets. This basically admits that there really is not much the application process can do for someone hell bent on shooting themselves or other folks. To an extent, but dependent on Nation, most have had Treaty Rights granted by the Crown to firearms before there was an RCMP.......or Canada.......jurisdiction is subjective, if one was tempted to take away firearms from the First Nations they'd better use the Army, and be prepared for an Oka like crisis weekly......good luck with that. Yep...prolly not even part of the #13 ranking for gun ownership per capita ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Community Tripartite Agreement is what it's called. Quote
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 I of course would point to this: you point (as in drop 2 links) but aren't prepared to offer implied distinction? Are we to presume on just why you believe your 2 linked documents have significance? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Yes, but very incomplete if the goal is to notify all potential targets. This basically admits that there really is not much the application process can do for someone hell bent on shooting themselves or other folks. To an extent, but then why go through the legal process if one can by a gun smuggled across the border? Yep...prolly not even part of the #13 ranking for gun ownership per capita ! Who knows..........I do know the last Trudeau Government in the early 80s supplied numerous First Nations in Northern Quebec and the (then) Eastern NWT (now NT) with Finnish produced Valmets per their Treaty Rights for subsistence hunting.......suitable in the extreme cold you see Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 you point (as in drop 2 links) but aren't prepared to offer implied distinction? Are we to presume on just why you believe your 2 linked documents have significance? No need to presume anything Quote
waldo Posted January 23, 2016 Report Posted January 23, 2016 Yep...prolly not even part of the #13 ranking for gun ownership per capita ! relevance? I'll certainly oblige your apparent want to have it highlighted that the U.S. holds numero uno position on the per-capita country listings tally: ~4 times the number of guns as Canada... ~115 guns per 100 U.S. residents --- There are now more guns than people in the United States Quote
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