Big Blue Machine Posted November 17, 2004 Report Posted November 17, 2004 http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...les-041117.html I think it's silly starting another Cold War. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
Black Dog Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 A lot of us who are oppossed to the U.S.'s missile defense sheild cited concerns that the sheild would launch a renewed arms race. It seems we're being proven right. Unfortunately. Quote
maplesyrup Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 -from yesterday's Hansard: National Defence Mr. Jack Layton (Toronto—Danforth, NDP): Mr. Speaker, we learned today of a very grave situation unfolding on the world stage. Vladimir Putin has announced that there will be the development of new nuclear weapons. This is on top of the hypersonic weapons already being tested by his government. That is exactly the kind of arms race that George Bush's star wars missile defence will produce, and it is why a top scientist in Scientific American has indicated very clearly that the system is “useless”. Will the Prime Minister take a position on this issue and tell him that the arms race is unacceptable whether it is for George Bush or Mr. Putin? Right Hon. Paul Martin (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, the Canadian government has made it clear from the very beginning that nuclear proliferation is a blight that all countries must work to stop. That is why we have supported the international Atomic Energy Commission and why we have supported inspections, whether they be in Iran or elsewhere in the world. The world cannot afford a nuclear arms race. That is the Canadian government's position and one we will continue to defend. I will raise it in every international forum, and that will always be the position that this country will defend. Mr. Jack Layton (Toronto—Danforth, NDP): Mr. Speaker, what is the position on star wars missile defence? I am sure he would have voted for the $87 billion before he then turned around and voted against it. What we have is a Canadian position that says that we are against an arms race but that we are willing to be part of one; that we favour multilateralism but that we do not mind tearing up multilateral arms treaties by Mr. Bush; and that we think star wars is bad but that we are happy to let Mr. Bush go ahead with it. It is unacceptable. What we have on the world stage is an incoherent Canadian stance. This is the time for a firm stance and to say no to George Bush. Right Hon. Paul Martin (Prime Minister, Lib.): Mr. Speaker, we are against nuclear proliferation. We are against the weaponization of space. What part of that answer does the leader of the NDP not understand? It looks like PM Martin and the Liberals are going to start chocking on this issue. They may well get the support for it in the House of Commons with the support of the Cons but they will be in defiance of the majority of Canadians. Quote An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you do know and what you don't. Anatole France
Argus Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 http://www.cbc.ca/story/world/national/200...les-041117.htmlI think it's silly starting another Cold War. I've been saying for some time that under Putin, the Russians are moving further and further away from freedom and democracy, and heading back to the bad old days of the Soviet Union. They have been heavy-handedly hammering away at their neighbours to try and get them back into the fold and rebuild the Soviets, and washing away the freedoms the Russians briefly held before Putin took office. It's amazing how easily people will overlook the actions and words of foreigners who don't speak English. Putin has been far more vicious and brutal in his handling of the Chechnians than the Americans would ever dream of in Iraq, but if Putin came to Canada next week there'd be nary a protestor to raise a placard. Contrast that to the horde of ignorance certain to descend on the capital when Bush comes to town end of the month. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 A lot of us who are oppossed to the U.S.'s missile defense sheild cited concerns that the sheild would launch a renewed arms race. It seems we're being proven right. Unfortunately. Why would the US defence shield, even if it worked, which it doesn't, provoke an arms race with the Russians? Aren't the Russians our friends now? Explain to me why democratic Russia feels the need to pour billions into developing new nuclear missiles to outwit Americans while their people are starving and freezing, and their regular military forces are collapsing from corruption and neglect? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 18, 2004 Report Posted November 18, 2004 Typical of the NDP that if the Russians introduce some new nuclear missile they'll shrilly blame the Americans - not the Russians. But then, the NDP always did have a great fondness for the Soviet Union. No doubt as Putin tries to rebuild it they'll move closer and closer to him and protect him from any criticism, just as they used to do whenever anyone criticised the Soviets. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Slavik44 Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 It shouldn't start a cold war, as the imputs in the situation don't equal a cold war. If America's Dominant choice is to build a missile shield and Russia's is to build a missle shield breaking nuke, it simply doesn;t equal arms race. The country to watch is China as they have the ability and funds to theoretically create a system similar to America's theoretical system. But there si no race as long as the two people are not on the same race track. Quote The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. - Ayn Rand --------- http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: 4.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Last taken: May 23, 2007
caesar Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 I've been saying for some time that under Putin, the Russians are moving further and further away from freedom and democracy, and heading back to the bad old days of the Soviet Union. They have been heavy-handedly hammering away at their neighbours to try and get them back into the fold and rebuild the Soviets, and washing away the freedoms the Russians briefly held before Putin took office. It's amazing how easily people will overlook the actions and words of foreigners who don't speak English. Putin has been far more vicious and brutal in his handling of the Chechnians than the Americans would ever dream of in Iraq Sound just like what is going on in America. Putin more vicious than the Americans; that's a chuckle. Think Bush has him beat by a country mile. American Congress complained that Canada was too democratic with too many civil rights. Yet, they claim to want to sppread "democracy"????? Quote
Stoker Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 A lot of us who are oppossed to the U.S.'s missile defense sheild cited concerns that the sheild would launch a renewed arms race. It seems we're being proven right. Unfortunately. But the real question is whether this arms race will be an Amercian vs. Russian affair or an America and Russia vs. China race......Don't Putin and Bush get along? Sound just like what is going on in America. Putin more vicious than the Americans; that's a chuckle. Think Bush has him beat by a country mile. Can you prove otherwise? American Congress complained that Canada was too democratic with too many civil rights. Yet, they claim to want to sppread "democracy"????? Who brought up Canada/US relations? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
caesar Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 Can you prove otherwise? I made an opinion; you made a statement. The onus is on you to prove your statement; my opinion is whatever I wish it to be. You never back up anything you say. When we give you credible proof of our opinions; you just ignore them. I find you to be completely anti Canadian. Quote
Stoker Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 How does thinking <my opinion> Putin to be worse then Bush ......anti Canadian? Quote The beaver, which has come to represent Canada as the eagle does the United States and the lion Britain, is a flat-tailed, slow-witted, toothy rodent known to bite off it's own testicles or to stand under its own falling trees. -June Callwood-
Black Dog Posted November 19, 2004 Report Posted November 19, 2004 if Putin came to Canada next week there'd be nary a protestor to raise a placard. Contrast that to the horde of ignorance certain to descend on the capital when Bush comes to town end of the month. Bush's policies impact Canadians far more than Putin's. Also: I think you're full of it. Remember when Suharto (the vicious dictator the west loved to, well, love) came to Vancouver and was met with mass protests, which were met with pepper spray. Putin has no friends among the left, but don't let that keep you from abusing your favorite strawman. Why would the US defence shield, even if it worked, which it doesn't, provoke an arms race with the Russians? Aren't the Russians our friends now? Explain to me why democratic Russia feels the need to pour billions into developing new nuclear missiles to outwit Americans while their people are starving and freezing, and their regular military forces are collapsing from corruption and neglect? Because the missile sheild (if it worked) would give the U .S. first strike capability while minimizing the danger of reprisals. Russia's new program is to neutralize that advantage. As for the rest, I expect you could say the same of teh U.S.A: why doe sthe U.S. feel the need to pur billions into developing a missile sheild while millions of its people lack quality healthcare and education and while its underequipped regular forces are bogged down in Iraq? Typical of the NDP that if the Russians introduce some new nuclear missile they'll shrilly blame the Americans - not the Russians. But then, the NDP always did have a great fondness for the Soviet Union. No doubt as Putin tries to rebuild it they'll move closer and closer to him and protect him from any criticism, just as they used to do whenever anyone criticised the Soviets. You need a new schtick. Quote
Argus Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 I've been saying for some time that under Putin, the Russians are moving further and further away from freedom and democracy, and heading back to the bad old days of the Soviet Union. They have been heavy-handedly hammering away at their neighbours to try and get them back into the fold and rebuild the Soviets, and washing away the freedoms the Russians briefly held before Putin took office. It's amazing how easily people will overlook the actions and words of foreigners who don't speak English. Putin has been far more vicious and brutal in his handling of the Chechnians than the Americans would ever dream of in Iraq Sound just like what is going on in America. Putin more vicious than the Americans; that's a chuckle. Think Bush has him beat by a country mile. I find it interesting that you very clearly know nothing about what Putin is doing in Russia, and clearly couldn't care less. Still, you are certain that Bush beats him by "a country mile."Do a little reading and get back to us. The evil empire strikes back Russia rebuilding Soviet Union American Congress complained that Canada was too democratic with too many civil rights. Yet, they claim to want to sppread "democracy"?????You are spouting nonsense. The US Congress never said any such thing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 Can you prove otherwise? I made an opinion; you made a statement. The onus is on you to prove your statement; my opinion is whatever I wish it to be. You never back up anything you say. When we give you credible proof of our opinions; you just ignore them. I find you to be completely anti Canadian. You stated dismissively that Bush was worse than Putin "by a country mile" then offered up nothing to support that opinion. Yes, we know you hate Bush, but what do you even know about Putin or what is going on in Russia? Apparently nothing. And your astonishing statement that people who disagree with you are "anti-Canadian" is completely assinine and childish. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted November 20, 2004 Report Posted November 20, 2004 if Putin came to Canada next week there'd be nary a protestor to raise a placard. Contrast that to the horde of ignorance certain to descend on the capital when Bush comes to town end of the month. Bush's policies impact Canadians far more than Putin's. That is certainly true. However, the vast majority of those who are screaming anti-Bush epithets will not be upset about Bush's policies towards Canada, but about his policies in Europe and the Middle East - as you are.Also: I think you're full of it. Remember when Suharto (the vicious dictator the west loved to, well, love) came to Vancouver and was met with mass protests, which were met with pepper spray.I am full of what? Intelligence? Knowledge? Wisdom? Good judgement? What'samater, jealous?Yes, there were protests against the APEC summit. But let us not forget that they were directed against a wide variety of nations present, including the United States. This was not a protest against Suharto, but against world capitalism, the United States, and, to a lesser degree, China's attacks on religious worshipers and Tibet. And those protests were not terribly large, generally consisting of students on the UBC campus and a variety of expatriates from the nations attending. Why would the US defence shield, even if it worked, which it doesn't, provoke an arms race with the Russians? Aren't the Russians our friends now? Explain to me why democratic Russia feels the need to pour billions into developing new nuclear missiles to outwit Americans while their people are starving and freezing, and their regular military forces are collapsing from corruption and neglect? Because the missile sheild (if it worked) would give the U .S. first strike capability while minimizing the danger of reprisals. The U.S. has first strike capability with us. Should we be concerned? Should we be building nuclear missiles? It has first strike capability with Germany, too, and Italy, and India, and Poland, and Australia. Should they all be building nukes?I expect you could say the same of teh U.S.A: why doe sthe U.S. feel the need to pur billions into developing a missile sheildAs a deterent to attack from small lunatic nations with nukes, ie, Iran, North Korea. I don't think they believe such a shield could stop a mass attack from Russia, but it might be able to shoot down some or all of a dozen missiles coming from Iran.And again, why blame the Americans for what the Russians do? Why not blame the Russians? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Blue Machine Posted November 29, 2004 Author Report Posted November 29, 2004 The US should have the missle system. They have NORAD already. That's good enough. Space isn't for militarization. Quote And as I take man's last step from the surface, for now but we believe not too far into the future. I just like to say what I believe history will record that America's challenge on today has forged man's destiny of tomorrow. And as we leave the surface of Taurus-Littrow, we leave as we came and god willing we shall return with peace and hope for all mankind. Godspeed the crew of Apollo 17. Gene Cernan, the last man on the moon, December 1972.
caesar Posted November 29, 2004 Report Posted November 29, 2004 You stated dismissively that Bush was worse than Putin "by a country mile" How many thousand of innocent civillians has Putin killed in the last two years. What disarming country did Putin invade on a bunch of bogus excuses???? Quote
caesar Posted November 29, 2004 Report Posted November 29, 2004 And your astonishing statement that people who disagree with you are "anti-Canadian" is completely assinine and childish My statement was that anyone who never finds Canada to be right and that finds Bush and the USA to be always right has their patroitism off base. You are the assine and childish twerp. Now go whine to Greg again. Don't throw out insults if you can't take them. Anti Canadian. Quote
The Nameless Posted December 2, 2004 Report Posted December 2, 2004 Read this instead: Welcome to the new cold warIt's Chirac vs. Cheney, SUVs vs. minicars, and pommes frites vs. freedom fries in the new transatlantic culture war. But here's what you don't know: In the global conflict for moral and economic supremacy, Europe is winning. - - - - - - - - - - - - By Andrew O'Hehir Nov. 15, 2004 | A specter is haunting America, and it ain't the specter of communism (however much George W. Bush and company might like to describe it that way). Barely a decade after the definitive collapse of the Soviet bloc, the United States finds itself in a new cold war, one being fought simultaneously on economic, political and cultural fronts, and one it is by no means certain to win. The unipolar world of uncontested American hegemony that we were told to expect into the indefinite future has come to an end; it lasted just about long enough for us to scratch our heads and wonder what was happening next. Yes, "Old Europe," to borrow Donald Rumsfeld's famous quip, is back, and it's looking pretty spry for its age. As Americans are finally beginning to notice, Europeans (or most of them, anyway) have reconstituted themselves into an enormous transnational superstate of 25 nations, 455 million people and an $11 trillion economy. This is, of course, the European Union, and its aims have become much broader and deeper than the stuff you've probably heard about, like allowing citizens to drive from Seville to Sicily without a passport, or to use the same anonymous-looking currency to buy a pint of Guinness in Cork and a glass of ouzo in Crete. American heavyweights like Alan Greenspan and Henry Kissinger, by the way, publicly predicted that the euro, now the common currency of 12 European countries (with many more to follow), would never work. This week the euro is trading at an all-time high of about $1.30 against an ever weaker Bush-economy dollar. Other confident-sounding things that you hear Americans say about the EU -- that it's plagued by a sclerotic bureaucracy, that it squelches entrepreneurship and initiative with overregulation, that its cradle-to-grave welfare states are dragging down its economy -- should be viewed with similar skepticism. It might sound alarmist to use a freighted term like "cold war" to describe our relationship with an entity whose raison d'être is to avoid all war and resolve all conflict. The political leaders of the European Union are certainly willing to be partners with the United States, and potentially to be friends as well. (Realpolitik dictates that both sides will continue to insist that the relationship is warm even when, as now, it is anything but.) But elites on both sides of the pond now know what the stakes are, and they are also willing to be competitors, even fierce rivals. If the original idea behind a united Europe was to redeem the old continent from poverty, devastation and centuries of self-destructive warfare, more recently the goal has been to build a "good superpower," one that stands as an economic and ideological counterweight to the American colossus. Once you grasp that this transatlantic cold war is not only happening but rapidly intensifying -- as Jeremy Rifkin and T.R. Reid, the authors of two almost simultaneous books on the European conundrum, agree -- you see the major news events of the last year or two in a different light. Both the Iraq war and this year's presidential election, for instance, start to look like key symbolic episodes in the U.S.-Europe conflict. What was the contest between Bush and John Kerry, after all, if not a proxy war between pommes frites and freedom fries, a referendum on Europe conducted among the American electorate? Kerry, we were told, spoke French and "looked French." These gibes might have played as humor on Fox News, but they were in deadly earnest. The French, of course, sank Bush's hopes for a truly international coalition against Iraq and became the American right's chosen exemplar of global treachery and cowardice. (Frenchness, you might say, is the new communism.) The French are also the principal architects of the European Union -- suddenly, clearly, our greatest rival for economic and moral supremacy in the world -- and if Karl Rove and Karen Hughes weren't thinking about that consciously, the thought wasn't far below the surface. Kerry was an internationalist and a secularist (at least by American standards) running against a man who wrapped himself in the flag and was guided by divine inspiration. Bush didn't just run as an American; he pretty much ran as America, which Rifkin calls a nation "living in two seemingly contradictory realms at the same time," those being the evangelical Protestant faith in salvation and the rationalist drive to accumulate wealth and build industry. That cast Kerry in the role of Europe -- intellectual and irreligious, faintly stained by the ghosts of socialism and Catholicism, with a belief in universal human rights and negotiated solutions, but not much in the way of a transformative spiritual vision. That might be all anyone needs to know about how close the election was, or how it turned out. There is a large class of people in this country who are sympathetic to the "European dream" of a managed market economy in which cooperation is emphasized over competition, leisure is privileged over work, and the social costs of capitalism are closely regulated -- and you know who you are, gentle readers. But to most Americans "freedom" still means untrammeled private-property rights, open markets, workaholism and the belief that somehow we'll all die rich. Going back 18 months, one of the strategic considerations driving the Bush administration's 2003 invasion of Iraq was surely the opportunity it presented to drive a wedge between pro- and anti-American politicians in Europe. By peeling away Britain's Tony Blair, Spain's José Maria Aznar and Italy's Silvio Berlusconi from the antiwar EU consensus, the Bushies may have hoped to disrupt the idea of a Europe that spoke with one voice on foreign policy and military action (an expressed EU goal) for a generation to come. As Reid, a longtime Washington Post correspondent, discusses in his book "The United States of Europe," the strategy seemed to work, at least at first. Those three prime ministers agreed to go along with the American war, and various other European leaders hemmed and hawed, trying somehow to split the difference between the Bush-Blair position and the vehement antiwar stance of French President Jacques Chirac and German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder. But then surprising things started to happen. When it came time to twist arms on the U.N. Security Council over the vote to authorize military action, the Americans were outfoxed. Most of the poorer nations on the council received substantial foreign aid from Europe -- the EU gives almost three times as much aid to developing countries as the U.S. does -- and proved more amenable to lobbying from the French and Germans than from the British and Americans. Bush and Blair needed nine votes and could never get more than four; at least in that limited arena, Reid writes, "Europe's political clout proved stronger than American military might." Furthermore, the Iraq war became a galvanizing and radicalizing event for an entire generation of younger Europeans and, in Reid's judgment, led them to see themselves as Europeans, above and beyond their national identities. While the European political elites dithered in the spring of 2003, the European people streamed into the streets by the millions, in a nearly unanimous rejection of the Iraq war in particular and the interventionist Bush foreign policy agenda in general. (And, for good measure, what most Europeans perceive as America's promiscuously wasteful culture of burgers, SUVs and obesity.) Opinion polls revealed an explosion of anti-American sentiment, even in nations like Britain, Italy and Poland that remained officially within the "coalition of the willing." In several European countries, the United States is viewed as more dangerous to world peace than Iran and North Korea, and George W. Bush may be even less popular in Scandinavia, for example, than he is in the Arab world. These young Europeans, Reid believes, now have a sense of their own political and economic power, and they have built a pan-continental "Euroculture" that borrows what it likes from American pop culture but now stands independent of it. "For many Europeans today," he writes, "the familiar concept of 'the West,' the transatlantic alliance with shared values and common enemies, is a relic of the last century." In this century, their goal is to challenge the American claim to global supremacy, at least in moral and political terms. Indeed, what struck me on a recent visit to Germany is how un-American Europe still feels, despite all the stories we hear to the contrary. Sure, you can eat at Pizza Hut or shop at Wal-Mart in Hamburg, and teenagers affect last year's hip-hop fashions and wear Yankee caps. (Sorry, Boston -- your triumph has not penetrated the Old World.) But those things, removed from their original context, have become, like Madonna or David Beckham, floating signifiers of a global culture that transcends nationality. The organic rhythms of the place feel nothing like the fevered consumption overdrive of American cities and suburbs: Bars and cafes remain busy long past midnight seven nights a week, but if there's any place in Hamburg where you can buy groceries or children's toys or paperback books after lunchtime on Saturday, I didn't find it. "Europe's time is almost here," Reid quotes current EU President Romano Prodi as saying. "In fact, there are many areas of world affairs where the objective conclusion would have to be that Europe is already the superpower, and the United States must follow our lead." It's stuff like that that has Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and the rest of the neoconservative cohort gnawing on the executive branch's fine European furniture late at night. They're smart enough to know that Prodi has a point -- even if they'd scoff at him in public -- and there isn't much they can do about it. After adding 10 new Eastern and Central European nations last May, the European Union now has a much larger population than the United States, and a slightly bigger economy. As Jeremy Rifkin argues in his dense and contentious new research-driven tome "The European Dream," the United States remains ahead in per-capita GDP, but the difference is not as significant as it looks. Much of American "productivity," Rifkin suggests, is accounted for by economic activity that might be better described as wasteful: military spending; the endlessly expanding police and prison bureaucracies; the spiraling cost of healthcare; suburban sprawl; the fast-food industry and its inevitable corollary, the weight-loss craze. Meaningful comparisons of living standards, he says, consistently favor the Europeans. In France, for instance, the work week is 35 hours and most employees take 10 to 12 weeks off every year, factors that clearly depress GDP. Yet it takes a John Locke heart of stone to say that France is worse off as a nation for all that time people spend in the countryside downing du vin rouge et du Camembert with friends and family. "The European Dream" is the richer of the two books, as Rifkin -- the author of such previous big-idea volumes as "The End of Work" and "The Biotech Century" -- mines deep lodes of history and sociology in search of the origins of the cross-pond cold war. But if you just want a reader-friendly survey of how the European Union was born (out of a modest Franco-German coal and steel accord after World War II), how it grew into the titan we see today, and what it's really like, Reid's personable "United States of Europe" is the better choice. To the question of what the European Union actually is, neither author offers more than a conditional answer, largely because Europeans aren't quite sure themselves. I called the EU a "superstate" earlier, but it isn't a nation-state in conventional terms. It doesn't physically control any territory, it has no authority to tax its citizens, and it has only very limited police powers. It does, however, have an elected legislature and an executive branch, a court system and a central bank, all of which can override the laws of its 25 member nations. (It also now has its own military, the 60,000-strong European Rapid Reaction Force, or "EuroArmy," a development that led to much gnashing of teeth in Washington.) At least some of this ambiguity is intentional; the EU looks different depending on who's looking. To the Euro-enthusiasts of France, Germany and the Low Countries, the EU is a grand federal state capable of transcending age-old problems of nationalism and sovereignty. To more standoffish nations like Britain and Sweden (neither of which has adopted the euro), it's a loose confederation of countries that remain largely autonomous. Rifkin calls it "the first really post-modern governing institution," amplifying that at another point to "the first post-territorial governing region in a network-linked global economy." (Much as I enjoyed his excursions through the historical and philosophical framework of the U.S.-EU clash, his tendency to wax lyrical with business-school buzzwords made me want to check whether I still had my wallet.) If the EU has no intention of confronting America's military supremacy, that, Rifkin and Reid would agree, is actually Europe's ace in the hole. Let the Americans pour endless billions in taxpayer dollars down the Pentagon's money sink, the Europeans reason. As they see it, the key to future peace and prosperity lies elsewhere, in constructing complex webs of social interaction and economic cooperation that will undermine nationalism and fundamentalism of all stripes. While the United States foots the bill for the intractable conflict in Iraq and piles up huge budget and trade deficits, Europe has spent money on other priorities. Whatever your intellectual and emotional responses may be to this burgeoning transatlantic conflict, it's difficult for any American to read Rifkin's book and not feel ashamed. The U.S. has fallen significantly behind the EU's Western European nations in infant mortality and life expectancy, despite spending more on healthcare per capita than any of them. (While 40 million Americans are uninsured, no one in Europe -- I repeat, not a single person -- lacks some form of healthcare coverage.) European children are consistently better educated; the United States would rank ninth in the EU in reading, ninth in scientific literacy, and 13th in math. Twenty-two percent of American children grow up in poverty, which means that our country ranks 22nd out of the 23 industrialized nations, ahead of only Mexico and behind all 15 of the pre-2004 EU countries. What's more horrifying: the statistic itself or the fact that no American politician to the right of Dennis Kucinich would ever address it? Perhaps more surprisingly, European business has not been strangled by the EU welfare state; in fact, quite the opposite is true. Europe has surpassed the United States in several high-tech and financial sectors, including wireless technology, grid computing and the insurance industry. The EU has a higher proportion of small businesses than the U.S., and their success rate is higher. American capitalists have begun to pay attention to all this. In Reid's book, Ford Motor Co. chairman Bill Ford explains that the company's Volvo subsidiary is more profitable than its U.S. manufacturing operation, even though wages and benefits are significantly higher in Sweden. Government-subsidized healthcare, child care, pensions and other social supports, Ford says, more than make up for the difference. The new EU constitution, currently being considered by the member states, is an unwieldy, jargon-laden document that runs to 265 pages in English (and even more in Spanish and French). It should also serve as an inspiration to progressives around the world. It bars capital punishment in all 25 nations and defines such things as universal healthcare, child care, paid annual leave, parental leave, housing for the poor, and equal treatment for gays and lesbians as fundamental human rights. Most of these are still hotly contested questions in the United States; as Rifkin says, this document all by itself makes the European Union the world leader in the human rights debate. It is the first governing document that aspires to universality, "with rights and responsibilities that encompass the totality of human existence on Earth." While Rifkin and Reid are unabashed Euro-boosters, both would urge Kerry voters rendered starry-eyed by the EU dream to ponder long and hard before pleading for asylum at the nearest consulate or scouring your family tree for relevant European ancestry. (Speaking as a dual-passport holder myself, I'm sticking it out -- at least for now.) For all the grandeur of its new vision, Europe still has relatively high unemployment and relatively sluggish economic growth. The continent faces major structural problems, most notably a declining birth rate and a long-standing hostility to immigration, which has led to a population that is aging much faster than America's. While the European welfare state is certain to remain generous by American standards, significant renegotiation of rights and benefits will be necessary unless this demographic time bomb can somehow be defused. Despite its deepening inequality, the United States remains to a large extent a more dynamic and less class-bound society, and it still offers individuals that opportunity for constant reinvention that lies at the heart of our national dream. Rifkin in particular believes that the new cold war with Europe will be good for America in the long run and may help rejuvenate the American left (even if the next four years are likely to get pretty ugly). Americans may need to be taught, by example, that unfettered corporate capitalism, regressive taxation and a bare-minimum social safety net are not the only way to guarantee prosperity -- and perhaps that our definition of what constitutes prosperity could stand some scrutiny. While America has been gnawing on its own innards for the last decade or so, feuding internally over White House blow jobs, flawed elections, the threat of terrorism, the ill-fated war in Iraq and an angrily polarized public discourse, Europe has quietly been cohering into an impressive whole, the world's newest superpower. For all its layers of bureaucracy and all the challenges it faces, the EU has forged a harmonious society on a continent that spent most of history at war with itself. The rise of the European Union may in fact, as Rifkin says, represent a new phase of history, and we barely saw it coming. While the outcome of this new cold war between Europe and America is far from clear, we should feel humbled by the way it's gone so far. The EU has succeeded so dramatically in its ambitious goals that the utopian dreamers of the last century who dared to imagine a peaceful, prosperous, united Europe seem eerily prescient now. If nothing else, it's an object lesson in the power of vision. "I am a democrat," James Joyce wrote in 1916, while an entire generation of Europe's young men were slaughtering each other in the fields of Flanders. "I'll work and act for the social liberty and equality among all classes and sexes in the United States of the Europe of the future." People read that and laughed bitterly. Europe seemed poisoned by mustard gas and history; America was the land of liberty, democracy and the future. Nobody's laughing now. http://s3.invisionfree.com/Underground_Net...p?showtopic=344 Quote
MapleBear Posted December 2, 2004 Report Posted December 2, 2004 Wow, thanks for posting that; it's awesome! Quote
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