Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 I agree fully, right or wrong, the present and the future is what has to be addressed. To do that, don't we have to understand what we should do? Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 We know that U.S. Intel has discovered chatter that assumes it's ISIS. But yes, it's yet to be confirmed. The other day you asked me if I knew who brought down the airliner. I think it's time for you to admit that you have no more idea than me who did. Quote
ToadBrother Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 The other day you asked me if I knew who brought down the airliner. I think it's time for you to admit that you have no more idea than me who did. We know there was a significant heat signature immediately before the plane went down. There is also no suggestion that the explosion was external. It was also catastrophic, judging by the damage. Not a lot of things cause that level of sudden depressurization from inside an aircraft. A bomb seems most likely, and the Brits certainly seem at least somewhat confident that it was ISIS that was behind it. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 We know there was a significant heat signature immediately before the plane went down. There is also no suggestion that the explosion was external. It was also catastrophic, judging by the damage. Not a lot of things cause that level of sudden depressurization from inside an aircraft. A bomb seems most likely, and the Brits certainly seem at least somewhat confident that it was ISIS that was behind it. Smallc doesn't like to be concerned with facts surrounding issues. His typical response is a one liner without explanation. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
ReeferMadness Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 If we know that ISIS is causing these explosions,what do you suggest? Let me ask you something. Who is arming ISIS? Nobody seems to know. How is that even possible? Between satellite surveillance, drones, surveillance aircraft, how is it possible they can't figure out who is supporting them? The answer is it isn't possible. There is at least one country that is, tacitly or explicitly, supporting them and there are people who know which countries are implicated. But we're not being told. Why not? If I had to guess, I would say it's Saudi Arabia which seems to be a hotbed of Islamic extremism and immune to international criticism. So, here's what I suggest. I suggest that we demand that our government start being honest about what's going on. And I suggest that the international community line up and start addressing this honestly. And I suggest that whatever actions are taken, they are in the best interests of the people on the ground. Because most of the victims of ISIS aren't in the airplane or in Canada. They're in Iraq and Syria. On an international scale, ISIS is a pimple. But it appeals to everyone with a grievance. And there are lots of people out there with grievances. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ToadBrother Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 If I had to guess, I would say it's Saudi Arabia which seems to be a hotbed of Islamic extremism and immune to international criticism. Do you have some actual evidence that the Saudis are funding ISIS? I mean, other than "Hey, they're both Muslim, so it must be them!" Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Do you have some actual evidence that the Saudis are funding ISIS? I mean, other than "Hey, they're both Muslim, so it must be them!" No, I don't have any actual evidence. That's why I said "if I had to guess" instead of "I have some actual evidence". What I do know is that there has been frequent references over the years to Wahabbi schools that teach a particularly fundamentalist view of Islam. I also know that, despite most of the hijackers coming from Saudi Arabia, somehow it was Afghanistan and Iraq that were invaded. I also know that Saudi Arabia is mainly Sunni and that ISIS is comprised of Sunni Muslims. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
WestCoastRunner Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 On an international scale, ISIS is a pimple. But it appeals to everyone with a grievance. And there are lots of people out there with grievances. ISIS is not a pimple. They are a very real danger to international travel, as they seem to have discovered a way to infiltrate international flights. Do you have a resolution to stop them from blowing flights out of the sky? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Smallc doesn't like to be concerned with facts surrounding issues. His typical response is a one liner without explanation. All I see is you wanting to rush out and do something, though I'm not sure what. It's clear our current approach isn't ending the current situation in Syria and Iraq, or stopping the spread of radical Islam outside of it. Perhaps we need a new approach. Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 bomb seems most likely, and the Brits certainly seem at least somewhat confident that it was ISIS that was behind it. And there were definitely WMDs in Iraq. We need to be certain of this. We need a concrete plan of action. Quote
dre Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 (edited) The problem with your logic being, of course, that Assad is not in power in most of Syria, and hasn't been since 2011. That just one of the problems with his "logic". The FSA has existed for about 10 years and is pretty nicely organized. And there's dozens of other groups springing up as well. The US tried for 10 years to quell such an insurgency in Iraq and failed. There's 20+ million Sunnis in Syria. And idiotic foreigners (like Canada) are fighting the Assad regime and their enemies at the same time. Edited November 6, 2015 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 ISIS is not a pimple. They are a very real danger to international travel, as they seem to have discovered a way to infiltrate international flights. This is not the first time that someone has done such a thing. What is your solution? Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 That just one of the problems with his "logic". The FSA has existed for about 10 years and is pretty nicely organized. And there's dozens of other groups springing up as well. The US tried for 10 years to quell such an insurgency in Iraq and failed. There's 20+ million Sunnis in Syria. I was firmly for the bombing at the beginning. I was firmly for intervention in 2011. You told me I was wrong then, and I now understand why, with the things I've read in recent days. There are very few if any 'good guys' in this fight for us to support. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 ISIS is not a pimple. They are a very real danger to international travel, as they seem to have discovered a way to infiltrate international flights. Do you have a resolution to stop them from blowing flights out of the sky? So, there are a few things we don't know. We don't know it was a bomb. If it was a bomb, we don't know it was planted by ISIS. If it was ISIS, we don't know how they beat security in Egypt (ie how good was the security). I think it's premature to ask me for a resolution until we have some more facts. But let me ask you this. Assuming that ISIS bombed a commercial jet in Egypt, how is bombing Iraq going to help? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 So, there are a few things we don't know. We don't know it was a bomb. If it was a bomb, we don't know it was planted by ISIS. This - Vladimir Putin is just as bad as Assad. I wouldn't be surprised, if it were a bomb, that he had it planted there. Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 But let me ask you this. Assuming that ISIS bombed a commercial jet in Egypt, how is bombing Iraq going to help? I've been told in this very thread that if we continue to bomb ISIS in Iraq and Syria, we'll help the kidnapped Canadians in Philippines. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 The problem with your logic being, of course, that Assad is not in power in most of Syria, and hasn't been since 2011. And the problem with your (ability to read) logic, is that was my point.........thanks for coming out though. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 To do that, don't we have to understand what we should do? Yes indeed, and the answer is quite clear, kill those that want to kill us. Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 And the problem with your (ability to read) logic, is that was my point.........thanks for coming out though. Sadam was in charge of Iraq until the very last day. It's conceivable he still would have been. Keeping control is not about military might. Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Yes indeed, and the answer is quite clear, kill those that want to kill us. And who is that? How do we identify all of them and drop bombs on them? Armed confrontation is often part of a necessary solution, but it cannot be the entirety of the solution. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 I've been told in this very thread that if we continue to bomb ISIS in Iraq and Syria, we'll help the kidnapped Canadians in Philippines. Quote it in context. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Sadam was in charge of Iraq until the very last day. It's conceivable he still would have been. Keeping control is not about military might. Why is it conceivable and what could/would Saddam have done different than Assad? Quote
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Quote it in context. The context is even more damaging in this case. Quote
dre Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 I was firmly for the bombing at the beginning. I was firmly for intervention in 2011. You told me I was wrong then, and I now understand why, with the things I've read in recent days. There are very few if any 'good guys' in this fight for us to support. We could throw our chips in with the Assad regime and probably achieve some semblance of stability. But at the end of the day you have 20+ million sunnis being ruled by a much smaller number of allawites, shia, christians etc. Partition the place. Let the sunni muslims have their stupid backward state. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Smallc Posted November 6, 2015 Report Posted November 6, 2015 Why is it conceivable and what could/would Saddam have done different than Assad? What he had done different for his entire time in power. Assad grew comfortable and stopped being as vigilant as he needed to be. Quote
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