Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 By the way, no one has called for refugee arrivals to stop. Rather, they've called for a temporary pause and slow down. The government obliged: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/government-assisted-refugee-arrivals-paused-in-more-canadian-cities-1.3411565 Define "pause"? Weeks? Months? Years? Quote
capricorn Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 By the way, no one has called for refugee arrivals to stop. Strangely, Syrian refugee arrivals may be halted or seriously reduced due to refugees themselves. Since we've now been assured by some members here that most refugees have cell phones or smart phones, word will get back home to stay away from Canada. The biting cold and lack of basic services are sure to be relayed back to prospective refugees. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Keepitsimple Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Define "pause"? Weeks? Months? Years? The "slow-down" in 25,000 government-assisted refugees has taken it from the end of 2015 to the end of 2016 (at best) - there's one definition of a Liberal "pause". On December 6th, Stephane Dion said they would be pulling the jets in a matter of weeks - not months. Still waiting.....so that's another definition of a Liberal pause. Edited January 25, 2016 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Define "pause"? Weeks? Months? Years? Until the unhappy ones are out of the hotels. This isn't rocket science. In life, problems come up and you fix them. You don't burn down the house. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 On December 6th, Stephane Dion said they would be pulling the jets in a matter of weeks - not months. Still waiting.....so that's another definition of a Liberal pause. It seems an announcement is coming this week. We're still in the weeks, not months, timeline. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 The "slow-down" in 25,000 government-assisted refugees has taken it from the end of 2015 to the end of 2016 (at best) - there's one definition of a Liberal "pause". I'm find with that - aren't you? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Until the unhappy ones are out of the hotels. This isn't rocket science. In life, problems come up and you fix them. You don't burn down the house. How long is that? In the major cities, where these refugees are being dumped, there are years long wait lists for public housing. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 The "slow-down" in 25,000 government-assisted refugees has taken it from the end of 2015 to the end of 2016 (at best) - there's one definition of a Liberal "pause". Sure, and when they get here (BC), they will be waiting months/years for ESL courses..... Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 How long is that? In the major cities, where these refugees are being dumped, there are years long wait lists for public housing. I would assume they'll find new places to put them. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 25, 2016 Author Report Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) I'm find with that - aren't you? I'm perfectly fine with that - but even longer will be better. My problem has always been the completely over-the-top reckless promises made by Trudeau and the fact that it's an indication of the danger the country might face in areas like Climate Change as he blurts out commitments that similarly, have no realistic foundation - or if they do, will cost this country billions more. The refugee commitment was one - a completely ludicrous number pulled out of the air (or some other place). A commitment to fulfill every one of the TRC recommendations before even analyzing the repercussions and costs. That's two. A taxation shell game to take from the rich and give it to "those who need it" - not understanding that those making $45,000 or less wouldn't benefit at alll AND it would not come close to being revenue-neutral. That's three. Given this track record in three months - what reckless commitments will he make in the next 3 or 4 years - and stubbornly cling to? Edited January 25, 2016 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 I would assume they'll find new places to put them. Ahh you assume they will find places to put them.......will they jump to the front of the line over Canadians that have been waiting for years? Quote
waldo Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 The "slow-down" in 25,000 government-assisted refugees has taken it from the end of 2015 to the end of 2016 (at best) - there's one definition of a Liberal "pause". please sir, the pause isn't being described as your "Liberal pause". Rather, it's a pause/slowdown being requested by those working to settle the refugees. By the by: I read 5 days here: Toronto resettlement group requests 5-day halt to refugee arrivals carry on! Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Ahh you assume they will find places to put them.......will they jump to the front of the line over Canadians that have been waiting for years? There are a lot of empty houses in non urban areas the provincial governments own. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 There are a lot of empty houses in non urban areas the provincial governments own. What good does that do with the Syrians being dumped in cities? You know, the same cities where the ESL programs are offered (that they will be put on wait lists for) and they are to find work? Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Given this track record in three months - what reckless commitments will he make in the next 3 or 4 years - and stubbornly cling to? I just don't see those commitments as all that reckless. A billion dollar tax decrease is something you, as a Conservative, should favour, I would think. At the same time, we need to live up to our international obligations. That goes far beyond bombing ISIS. Things like climate change (as a real problem) and the way we treat aboriginal people are just as important to our reputation if not more so. Do I think that the current course with aboriginals is the answer? No, but, it's the way that most of the world wants us to move, and is moving. Aspiring to meet all of the recommendations of the report is important for our reputation, and for fostering a new relationship with indigenous people, different from the confrontational attitude that was created under Harper. If you want to do things like build pipelines, aboriginals have to agree. Though I don't fault him for it, as I understand his point of view, it could be said that the things Harper did with regards to climate and the lack of aboriginal consultation cost this country greatly in terms of reputation and economy. He didn't get any pipeline through because we lost credibility. Talking a big game while defunding his own military plan made him look like a joke on the international stage. Not bothering to craft new legislation for the right to die, simply because of ideological opposition, has left the current government with a dangerous mess to sort out in just over 4 months. Our economy is floundering, despite Harper taking credit for work economic conditions that were largely created by Mulroney, Chretien, and Martin. I was a Harper supporter, but with the benefit of hindsight, I have to question much of my support of him post 2012. His governance was like his campaign - a waste of my time, completely devoid of ideas. He really didn't do all that good of a job.....and now suddenly everything is Trudeau's fault. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 What good does that do with the Syrians being dumped in cities? The government may have to look at alternatives for temporary accommodations. Life is not so inflexible. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 The government may have to look at alternatives for temporary accommodations. Life is not so inflexible. Explain that to Canadians that are waiting an average of four years for affordable housing. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Explain that to Canadians that are waiting an average of four years for affordable housing. Obviously, governments haven't been building enough. I wonder which government has made social housing a major commitment? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Obviously, governments haven't been building enough. I wonder which government has made social housing a major commitment? Who cares. What Government is putting even more strain on social housing (to say nothing of the finite social resources on all three levels of government) , prior to addressing it, to keep a campaign promise? Quote
Argus Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Right, so no cite then. And BTW, the g of c stats I refer to was when your heroes in the Harper gov. were running the propaganda machines Really? the g of c has stats on the education and skill level of the Syrian refugees we just brought over? I'd be interested in seeing that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 I would assume they'll find new places to put them. What new places? All those empty, low-income housing units Canadian cities have? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Obviously, governments haven't been building enough. I wonder which government has made social housing a major commitment? Social housing is a municipal/provincial responsibility. And they haven't even been maintaining the ones they have. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Really? the g of c has stats on the education and skill level of the Syrian refugees we just brought over? I'd be interested in seeing that. Are you under the impression the ones we just brought over are the first Syrian's to emigrate here? Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 What new places? All those empty, low-income housing units Canadian cities have? There are many empty low income units in a community 10 minutes down the road from me. They're in good shape. Those are temporary solutions. Quote
Smallc Posted January 25, 2016 Report Posted January 25, 2016 Social housing is a municipal/provincial responsibility. And they haven't even been maintaining the ones they have. They need money - something Ottawa is able to provide. Quote
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