Smeelious Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Do you think the Left will? The NDP would certainly split up. Where do you think the ideological split would be?
Argus Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Boohoohoo I'm a conservative who drives a gas guzzling SUV everywhere and gets so upset when those liberals try to make me pay extra taxes for it. This is so filled with cliche's I have to wonder if you mean it as a serious comment. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Where do you think the ideological split would be? Between those, like Mulcair, who want a more realistic left wing party somewhat related to the kind of politics you see among mainstream European parties, and the more radical, further left NDPers who disdain capitalism and still want to nationalize industries, erect a big, protective tariff wall and soak the rich, etc. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 Lower taxes? That's only important to people who pay taxes. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 No, I think that given the choice between a mass Ebola outbreak hitting Canada, or Prime Minister Stephane Dion, I think the Ebola outbreak would have caused less harm. your qualifier was the 'Green Shift' proposal. Given that, as I indicated, you'll need to equally 'trash' BC's carbon tax... as they were/are both consumption based, revenue neutral with returns adjusting respective tax levels. .
SpankyMcFarland Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) So leaders, guys. How would you rank the contenders? Edited October 26, 2015 by SpankyMcFarland
Argus Posted October 26, 2015 Report Posted October 26, 2015 So leaders, guys. How would you rank the contenders? Mulcair's job is not presently up for grabs. Kenney is the clear favorite for Harper's job, baring some outsider throwing his hat into the ring. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
angrypenguin Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Boohoohoo I'm a conservative who drives a gas guzzling SUV everywhere and gets so upset when those liberals try to make me pay extra taxes for it. Gas guzzling SUV? Such rhetoric. If you had said "super expensive car", then maybe there'd be something credible with your post My views are my own and not those of my employer.
The_Squid Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Why do CPC supporters suddenly like philosophy majors???
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Mulcair's job is not presently up for grabs. Kenney is the clear favorite for Harper's job, baring some outsider throwing his hat into the ring. Only if the CPC wants to sped a lot of tie in opposition. Kenney is too much of sweaty, stuffed shirt mock up of Harper drone. That may appel to you, but if they want to move along they need to upgrade big time. Lisa Raitt might be the one.
angrypenguin Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Only if the CPC wants to sped a lot of tie in opposition. Kenney is too much of sweaty, stuffed shirt mock up of Harper drone. That may appel to you, but if they want to move along they need to upgrade big time. Lisa Raitt might be the one. Raitt will not appease the Conservative base. My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Raitt will not appease the Conservative base. Why do they need appeasement? Their past leader they supported ran them into the ditch. Maybe they need to update how they think.
Argus Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Why do CPC supporters suddenly like philosophy majors??? One of the smartest, most unflappable guys I ever knew was a philosophy major. The problem with philosophy majors in general is they're often not all that attuned to the realities of life. Kenney has shown, however, over 17 years in office, that that's not to be the case with him. Edited October 27, 2015 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 I was just looking over the list of Harper's cabinet. It's amazing how many of those faces jump out due to this or that scandal, or just because they are so out of touch with the country. After all that, were I in charge, I reckon I'd give serious consideration to Erin O'toole. He took over veterans affairs after a complete and utter dolt (Fantino) had run it totally the rocks, and did a pretty good job of pulling it out of the fire. Pardon my mix of metaphors.
angrypenguin Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 One of the smartest, most unflappable guys I ever knew was a philosophy major. The problem with philosophy majors in general is they're often not all that attuned to the realities of life. Kenney has shown, however, over 17 years in office, that that's not to be the case with him. I want Kenney to win. My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 I want Kenney to win.So do most non-conservatives.
angrypenguin Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 So do most non-conservatives. Because we've done a nationwide poll of non conservatives. My views are my own and not those of my employer.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Because we've done a nationwide poll of non conservatives. Because he doesn't seem poised to take the CPC very far from the failed policies of Harper, so he wouldn't be hard to beat next time around.
kimmy Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) your qualifier was the 'Green Shift' proposal. Given that, as I indicated, you'll need to equally 'trash' BC's carbon tax... as they were/are both consumption based, revenue neutral with returns adjusting respective tax levels. . Well, one thing I like about BC's carbon tax is that at least Gordon Campbell actually had the balls to tax gasoline, as well as every other fuel. Not so with Dion. Member G. Huxley speaks disparagingly of the hypothetical "conservative who drives a gas guzzling SUV everywhere and gets so upset when those liberals try to make me pay extra taxes for it." (is he referring to me? I have no idea.) How much would Dion's Green Shit have cost that hypothetical conservative, or me for that matter? Zero. Nothing. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Bupkus. Zero. ZEEERROOO. All those wealthy urbanites commuting to work in their gas-guzzling SUVs that Huxley hates so much? They were completely off the hook under the Green Shit. Gasoline was to be exempt because the federal excise taxes on gasoline already exceeded targets so no additional taxation was required (according to Dion) or because the Liberal Party's urban voting base wouldn't stand for it (according to Kimmy). It was to be users of diesel and coal and natural gas that would pick up the tab instead of gasoline users. Diesel, of course, being the lifeblood of Canada's agriculture and forestry and transportation industries, and therefore crucially important to all of rural Canada. Coal and natural gas, of course, being vital to Canada's electrical infrastructure and to the heavy industries that pay the bills in this country. So on the one hand he's decided to raise carbon taxes on fuels that industries depend on and where practical alternatives are scarce or non-existent. And on the other hand he's decided to offer no incentive at all to reduce the #1 source of discretionary carbon generation in this country, automobile travel... surely The Waldo is not fond of that premise! And to top it off this revenue that's being taken from Canada's rural industries would have been used to provide income tax cuts for those car-loving suburbanites. And yes, people in his own party referred to his plan as "Bag Of Manure", and people in his own party were furious that he was plunging ahead with it in spite of their own polling that showed it was an electoral disaster waiting to happen, and I'm quite please that such a buffoon got the fate he deserved. -k Edited October 27, 2015 by kimmy (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
kimmy Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Belinda Stronarch would have made a better PM than Harper. But the moderates have basically all been pushed out of the Conservative party, so whatever. I guess if you want the CPC to win, a woman would make sense, purely due to the extra votes, but I don't see why the CPC winning is desirable. I'm not sure Stronach would have been all that great. I cheered for her at the time, but I think it was my bias of hoping to see a woman succeed in Canadian federal politics, not any rational belief that she had the makings of a great leader. Do I want the CPC to win? I want a choice between strong options in this country. I want an alternative to the new Liberal government that will keep them from becoming arrogant and assuming they can do whatever they like. I want the CPC to choose a leader that Canadians could turn to if Trudeau turns out to be mistake. -k (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Argus Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Because he doesn't seem poised to take the CPC very far from the failed policies of Harper, so he wouldn't be hard to beat next time around. The 'failed policies' of Harper kept them in power for ten years. Policies were not what lost them power. Attitude was what lost them power. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 The 'failed policies' of Harper kept them in power for ten years. Policies were not what lost them power. Attitude was what lost them power. And you are entitled to your opinion. As are the rest of us.
Argus Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 And you are entitled to your opinion. As are the rest of us. Certainly true. Of course, every commentator I've seen in the national press seems to share my opinion, but you're entitled to yours, however unique. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Certainly true. Of course, every commentator I've seen in the national press seems to share my opinion, but you're entitled to yours, however unique. Is that the national press, or the National Post?
Argus Posted October 27, 2015 Report Posted October 27, 2015 Is that the national press, or the National Post? Every commentary I've ready in Post, Globe, Start and Citizen, which is maybe a dozen or more, and what commentators are saying on the CBC, CTV and BNN. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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