Read my lips, no new tax cuts: PM

[maplesyrup]

Read my lips, no new tax cuts: PM

So PM Martin has an $8 billion surplus but there will be no new tax cuts. I suppose PM Martin is finally waking up to the reality of the support in the country for NDP policies.

I think this suggests an election sooner rather than later.

[caesar]

I presume you meant tax CUTS. I thought this was already dealt with and the surplus was being put on our deficit. We do want the money going to fix our health care programs. That has been everyone's policy except the right wing Conservatives and BC Liberals (Conservatives except by name)

[maplesyrup]

Yup, no tax cuts with the now $8.9 billion surplus. Apart from the social programs some of it will be going towards paying down the debt.

[caesar]

Good, that's the way it should be. We need to be healthy; can't enjoy those tax cuts when you are on a waiting list for medical procedures and suffering in pain. They will send you to physiotherapy (Uncovered) for a year at 50 dollars a week or more. Not too many budgets can pay this cost for something that medical doesn't cover and which would not be necessary with the needed operation. Others die on that waiting list. Tax cuts won't help them.

[takeanumber]

I agree.

The debt needs to be paid down too so that way we don't have a crisis in ten years.

Let's get it get it all the way down to 10% of GDP.

Boomer's will have a much nicer retirement that way.

[caesar]

right take a number, thought I mentioned that but I agree; lets not pass on a large debt to our children and grandchildren. Our payments only pay interest unless we get serious and pay up.

[maplesyrup]

I think it has been a mistake that any Canadian government was allowed to acquire borrowing privileges.

Gee, I wonder how that came about.

[Big Blue Machine]

We need more money in health, education, and military. Tax cuts don't matter.

[Stoker]

We need more money in health, education, and military. Tax cuts don't matter.

Do you pay taxes?

[maplesyrup]

Believe it or not, people who don't pay a lot of tax, or no taxes, are still entilted to be treated as human beings.

Low income Canadians, such as students, seniors, minimum wage earners, are still citizens of Canada and entitled to respect.

Since when is basing whether some pays taxes or not, make any difference?

Taxes, while not popular, by-the-way, are a very important part of why we have governments. To redistribute the wealth in our society.

[maplesyrup]

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[Stoker]

Believe it or not, people who don't pay a lot of tax, or no taxes, are still entilted to be treated as human beings.

Low income Canadians, such as students, seniors, minimum wage earners, are still citizens of Canada and entitled to respect.

Since when is basing whether some pays taxes or not, make any difference?

Taxes, while not popular, by-the-way, are a very important part of why we have governments. To redistribute the wealth in our society.

Where did I treat Blue poorly? I asked him a question.

Also, who says that our surplus can't be put towards, Healthcare, education, defence, debt reduction and tax cuts?

All of those areas need to be addressed to they not?

[Cartman]

BBM Posted on Nov 17 2004, 02:37 PM

We need more money in health, education, and military. Tax cuts don't matter.

Stoker Posted on Nov 17 2004, 10:17 PM

Do you pay taxes?

Maple Posted on Nov 17 2004, 10:46 PM

Believe it or not, people who don't pay a lot of tax, or no taxes, are still entilted to be treated as human beings.

Stoker Posted on Nov 18 2004, 12:06 AM

Where did I treat Blue poorly? I asked him a question.

There is a difference between asking a sincere question and making a statement in question form. I suspect that you would be upset if I innocently asked if you were a child rapist. Hey, it is just a question. Everyone here knows what you meant. BBM made a good point and you just tried to bully. Shame.

[caesar]

Taxes, while not popular, by-the-way, are a very important part of why we have governments. To redistribute the wealth in our society.

The main purpose of taxes is NOT to redistribute the wealth. Taxes are there to accomplish things that are needed by all Canadians; Military, Immigration issues, trade issues, Cross country transportation, etc.

[maplesyrup]

Cartman....good perception & interpretation..

BBM is a student, a high school student, I believe.

While I may disagree with his political persuasion, or political point of view, just because he does not yet pay taxes, should have no bearing on whether he is entitled to his opinion.

I actually respect him to get involved in such a discussion forum and wish BBM well in his future political endeavours.

Maybe BBM will become premier of Ontario some day. And if he does good on him. We will be able to say we knew him whem.........

[Stoker]

There is a difference between asking a sincere question and making a statement in question form. I suspect that you would be upset if I innocently asked if you were a child rapist. Hey, it is just a question. Everyone here knows what you meant. BBM made a good point and you just tried to bully. Shame.

And if somebody asked me a question, I'd respond.....and no, I'm not a child rapist. Why do you ask? Does Child rape have something to do with our budget surplus and to what it should be spent on?

I remeber the rumours about Bill Grahman and a male teenager in the 80s......never heard anything about Goodale.....do you have some dirt or something?

With that said, I could understand why tax cuts would not mater to somebody that doesn't pay taxes.....

[Cartman]

Everyone pays taxes in this country if they buy anything from a pack of smokes to a chocolate bar. Everyone has a right to argue how those dollars are spent regardless of whether they are in school, on welfare or working as a mechanic.

[Cartman]

Rhetoric

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rhetoric

[caesar]

And I will add; that if you are refering to a student; not yet paying taxes; He will be paying taxes one day soon; why should he pay for the money we spent. PAY OFF THE DEFICIT before considering lowering taxes.

[maplesyrup]

caesar....I agree with your comment about paying off the deficit before we have more tax deductions.

How in the world will we pay off the debt if we don't collect taxes to do it with? And it is not fair to our children.

[August1991]

Everyone has a right to argue how those dollars are spent regardless of whether they are in school, on welfare or working as a mechanic.

It is very easy to spend someone else's money. That is the crux of the matter.

I too would be in favour of spending your money on our health system.

How in the world will we pay off the debt if we don't collect taxes to do it with? And it is not fair to our children.

If the government cuts taxes now, you will have more money to leave to your children in your will.

[maplesyrup]

What makes you think the money belongs to you. We live in a society where it is our government's role to take from the greedy bsastards and look after our weak, our sick, our students, our seniors, our poor.

Just because your heroes have structured the tax laws to deprive these these people mentioned above, what rightfully should belong to them in redistribution, in our social democratic Canada, doesn't make it ethical nor right.

You don't need 4 cars and 2 houses while others don'r even have shelter or food. And it doesn't matter how HARD you have worked. Everyone works hard.

[August1991]

What makes you think the money belongs to you. We live in a society where it is our government's role to take from the greedy bsastards and look after our weak, our sick, our students, our seniors, our poor.

Is that your philosophy MS? Steal from the rich and give to the poor? Robin Hood, 21st century.

If so, shouldn't we steal from all Canadians and give to impoverished people in Bangaldesh?

I mean if we look at all 6 billion people in the world, the 30 million Canadians are in the club of "rich greedy bastards".

[Cartman]

I think that we should do more in this regard. The feds match $$ personal contributions. If every person in industrialized nations contributed a bit, we could solve a lot of problems.

[Stoker]

Everyone pays taxes in this country if they buy anything from a pack of smokes to a chocolate bar. Everyone has a right to argue how those dollars are spent regardless of whether they are in school, on welfare or working as a mechanic.

Does a 13 year old recieve a tax refund for buying bubble gum and hockey cards?

And I will add; that if you are refering to a student; not yet paying taxes; He will be paying taxes one day soon; why should he pay for the money we spent. PAY OFF THE DEFICIT before considering lowering taxes.

He recieved the benifit of the money we spent, just a I received the benifit of the money spent by people older then I.

I'm not arguning whether or not Blue can have an opinion or not (To tell you the truth, I don't really care), what I'm pointing out though, is the perceived negative view Blue holds for tax cuts and the benifits in which they bring to our economy.

Blue, is your opinion based on ignorance or something else?

If the government cuts taxes now, you will have more money to leave to your children in your will.

Or to piss away on a brand new Chev truck, which in turn puts money in the pocket of the salesman and the owner of the dealership, which in turn purchases more Trucks to replace the ones sold, which gives worker to the automotive industry....etc......not too mention, all the links in this change, with their new found money, will also start a "chain reaction" (to varying degress) such as my example above........How is this bad for Canada?

What makes you think the money belongs to you. We live in a society where it is our government's role to take from the greedy bsastards and look after our weak, our sick, our students, our seniors, our poor.

Where does it mention in the charter wealth redistribution?

Also, define a greedy bastard.

You don't need 4 cars and 2 houses while others don'r even have shelter or food. And it doesn't matter how HARD you have worked. Everyone works hard.

Perhaps the person with "4 cars and 2 houses", did or didn't work harder, but he or she obviously worked smarter.........

If so, shouldn't we steal from all Canadians and give to impoverished people in Bangaldesh?

I mean if we look at all 6 billion people in the world, the 30 million Canadians are in the club of "rich greedy bastards".

Good point August........whats your computer worth Maple? I'm sure if you sold it, you rich greedy bastard you, you could feed quite a number of people rice in the third world........Do you own a car Maple? A home? Flatware?