ToadBrother Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 I don't know if you could ever call him an idiot - but he certainly was challenged on substance and his ability to put coherent sentences together. The turning point in the campaign was to acknowledge that fact - and to counter it, they broke with tradition and had Gerald Butts tutor him every single day. For better or worse, Trudeau is simply the figurehead - and we will be living with the huge political influence of Butts.....the man who guided Dalton McGuinty and Kathleen Wynne.......and only if you live in Ontario, can you truly appreciate the long-term damage that disastrous team has done to its citizens.Link: http://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2015/10/18/justin-trudeaus-smartest-campaign-move-hepburn.html All the parties employ an army of strategists, PR experts, marketers and so forth, and all have a few "gurus". Beyond that, and considering the last two months, isn't it time to retire the "Trudeau is a moron" line? And as to Ontario, maybe someday the PCs will pick a leader that can get them elected. Whether Wynne is total crap or not is something I'll leave to others, but the fact remains the voters of that province were given bad choices, and elected what they viewed as the least bad decision. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 I don't think he's brilliant but he's not an idiot. I read somewhere that most often the best leaders are of slightly above average intelligence because they can relate better to most people than extremely bright people. It can also mean that they need to rely on others instead of trying to do everything themselves. I just hope that Trudeau will rely more on his cabinet and caucus (assuming he is PM next week) and not his PMO. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
cybercoma Posted October 18, 2015 Report Posted October 18, 2015 It was an honest question. I'm sure it wasn't. Quote
Scotty Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 I'm sure it wasn't. How about an honest answer then? Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
Keepitsimple Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Trudeau is far from an idiot. You were the one who thought he was....... Quote Back to Basics
Keepitsimple Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 All the parties employ an army of strategists, PR experts, marketers and so forth, and all have a few "gurus". Beyond that, and considering the last two months, isn't it time to retire the "Trudeau is a moron" line? And as to Ontario, maybe someday the PCs will pick a leader that can get them elected. Whether Wynne is total crap or not is something I'll leave to others, but the fact remains the voters of that province were given bad choices, and elected what they viewed as the least bad decision. Trudeau was never a moron - never an idiot.....but the jury is still out on how shallow his grasp of the issues is. He was anointed leader - and his background shows no experience or ability to personally build and direct a team - to glean information from that team and make decisions. That's not partisan sniping - it's just a fact. That's why Gerald Butts and a few others will wield so much power if the Liberals gain power. Will that be a good or a bad thing? ......that's where the comparison to Ontario comes into play - where Butts and other Trudeau advisors come from......and you are bang on - voters saw Wynne as the least bad decision.....and are now paying a heavy price for their choice. Harper is no Tim Hudak - there is a choice. 24 hours and we'll know a lot more. Quote Back to Basics
cybercoma Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 How about an honest answer then? The nutters are the far right wing conservatives who have unworkable policy ideas that will never pass a parliament and if it does never pass the judiciary. Quote
Evening Star Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 never pass the judiciary. I believe you're thinking about the actual CPC cabinet here. Quote
Scotty Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) The nutters are the far right wing conservatives who have unworkable policy ideas that will never pass a parliament and if it does never pass the judiciary. Aren't there similar people in every party? And I'm in doubt about which policies they have which would be unworkable or unconstitutional. As i said in another topic, the four topics not permitted to be discussed are abortion, immigration, official bilingualism, and gay rights. Toss in death penalty if you like. I think there's only one of those subjects where one could say the SC would probably intervene, that being gay rights. I'm assuming, perhaps incorrectly, that these 'far right' conservatives you speak of are social conservatives and the opinions you think the party needs to supress are in those categories... Edited October 19, 2015 by Scotty Quote It is an inverted moral calculus that tries to persuade the world to demonize one state that tries its civilized best to abide in a difficult time and place, and rides merrily by the examples and practices of dozens of states and leaderships that drop into brutality every day without a twinge of regret or a whisper of condemnation. - Rex Murphy
cybercoma Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Aren't there similar people in every party? Yes, but Stephen Harper keeps them muzzled in his party and I don't see any of the names put forward to lead the party after Harper leaves having the same kind of pragmatic core as Harper. Quote
eyeball Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 No. Dictators are people who wield absolute authority. Lots of them rule for life because they have absolute authority. Harper is not literally a dictator (although he's got the type of arrogance that suggests he thinks he should be) but he has exercised autocracy to a degree that hasn't previously been seen in Canada. It's a little silly to say we live in a dictatorship but it's definitely accurate to say our representatives work in one. A gilded cage is is still a cage. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 You were the one who thought he was....... I did...he proved me wrong. Quote
poochy Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 I did...he proved me wrong. Yea, he might be average, he is quite capable of speaking in broad, cuddly generalities, and yelling over people in debates, i'll give him that. It won't be long, assuming they win, before he has to stand on his own merits, before his election handlers can't drill him relentlessly on what empty thing to say in every likely scenario, and just as happened since he was leader, before the election, he will make a fool of himself, he will eventually be an embarrassment. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Yea, he might be average, he is quite capable of speaking in broad, cuddly generalities, and yelling over people in debates, i'll give him that. It won't be long, assuming they win, before he has to stand on his own merits, before his election handlers can't drill him relentlessly on what empty thing to say in every likely scenario, and just as happened since he was leader, before the election, he will make a fool of himself, he will eventually be an embarrassment. I doubt very much he will cuddle up to the Ford brothers so at least we won't have to sustain such a high level of embarrassment. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 I doubt very much he will cuddle up to the Ford brothers so at least we won't have to sustain such a high level of embarrassment. And maybe the international press will stop asking when Canada became so racist. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 And maybe the international press will stop asking when Canada became so racist. And perhaps we can regain at least some semblance of our previous levels of respect in the global community. Quote
msj Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 I did...he proved me wrong.Looks like lots of people have changed their minds: http://abacusdata.ca/final-elxn42-poll-what-do-canadians-think-about-the-leaders/ Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
eyeball Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Gerald Butts and a few others will wield so much power if the Liberals gain power. Will that be a good or a bad thing? Whatever else it is, power yields so much to just a handful of people mostly due to it's concentration in the PMO. Was it a good thing or a bad thing that Harper didn't do something about that on his watch? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 It won't be long, assuming they win, before he has to stand on his own merits, Just as every other leader did. It took time for Harper to convince me he was right for the job...and he was, for a time. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Hahaha. Patrick Brazeau endorsed Trudeau on Twitter. senatorbrazeau @JustinTrudeau beat the shit out of me but I'm still voting for him. If I can, every other Canadian should! #cdnpoli #elxn42 #lpc #ndp #cpc 2015-10-19, 1:14 AM Quote
cybercoma Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 So this hurts Trudeau more than helps, right? lol Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Hahaha. Patrick Brazeau endorsed Trudeau on Twitter. senatorbrazeau @JustinTrudeau beat the shit out of me but I'm still voting for him. If I can, every other Canadian should! #cdnpoli #elxn42 #lpc #ndp #cpc 2015-10-19, 1:14 AM He got kicked out of the Conservative caucus, didn't he? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
cybercoma Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 Yes. He's an "independent" senator. Quote
Smallc Posted October 19, 2015 Report Posted October 19, 2015 He got kicked out of the Conservative caucus, didn't he? He has the same issue as many toddlers....he doesn't know how to use his words. Oh, and drugs...and lying...and stealing....and... Quote
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