Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Bull. Very few that will say it openly, maybe. I may still have been voting CPC if Harper had left. It was hard to support many of his decisions over the last couple of years. Please. You are an NDP voter. You've mentioned it more than once. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Please. You are an NDP voter. You've mentioned it more than once. I voted Liberal. I considered the NDP because (and only because) of Thomas Mulcair, but he ended up disappointing me. I have the pleasure of being able to find common ground with any party, but am most at home with the Liberals, on most matters. The Conservatives have disappointed me on many of the matters that I find myself in agreement with them (DND, criminal justice, personal taxes). Quote
Topaz Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I rather think Harper is more an Alliance Reformer than a conservative because even the PC had their problems, Harper has taken corruption on Parliament Hill to a new standard. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) I rather think Harper is more an Alliance Reformer than a conservative because even the PC had their problems, Harper has taken corruption on Parliament Hill to a new standard. Citation Requested. Edited October 17, 2015 by Smallc Quote
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I voted Liberal. I considered the NDP because (and only because) of Thomas Mulcair, but he ended up disappointing me. I have the pleasure of being able to find common ground with any party, but am most at home with the Liberals, on most matters. The Conservatives have disappointed me on many of the matters that I find myself in agreement with them (DND, criminal justice, personal taxes). Translation: you're not a conservative. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) Translation: you're not a conservative. You'll have to tell all of the left wing posters on this board that (and no, I'm not a Conservative, though I was certainly a Conservative supporter for most of 2007 - 2014). Edited October 17, 2015 by Smallc Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 You'll have to tell all of the left wing posters on this board that (and no, I'm not a Conservative, though I was certainly a Conservative supporter for most of 2007 - 2014). In any political partisan's mind, anything less than blind loyalty is a sign of inappropriate, unorthodox and even blasphemous intent. Quote
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 You'll have to tell all of the left wing posters on this board that (and no, I'm not a Conservative, though I was certainly a Conservative supporter for most of 2007 - 2014). You play this game every election cycle (federal and provincial) -- feign passing interest in conservatism between elections, then snap right back to voting to the left of them, pointing to conservative policies as the reason why you won't vote for them. Quote
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 In any political partisan's mind, anything less than blind loyalty is a sign of inappropriate, unorthodox and even blasphemous intent. You certainly won't see any of that from me. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 The endorsements (except for the Star shills) serve a purpose for those who care. In spite of all the Conservative foibles - imagined or real - the Liberal platform and especially it's leader are just not "safe" enough to make a change. The direct criticism (slagging) of Harper sends him a clear message that it's time to pass the baton - something that was highly likely to happen anyways - unless he won a resounding majority - which is a near impossibility. In other words - Conservatives = best alternative (of a bad lot), Harper = gotta go, Liberals = shaky bet, Trudeau = not ready, Mulcair = in the wrong party. Quote Back to Basics
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 You play this game every election cycle (federal and provincial) That's true - I think I'm a normal voter in that regard, just better informed. I voted Conservative in 2008, NDP in 2011 (as a protest mostly) and now Liberal. In the last two Manitoba provincial elections I voted NDP (they're like orange Liberals here, after all), and I couldn't tell you how I'll vote come spring. Quote
Smallc Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 The endorsements (except for the Star shills) serve a purpose for those who care. In spite of all the Conservative foibles - imagined or real - the Liberal platform and especially it's leader are just not "safe" enough to make a change. I'm wondering what people would say is not safe about the platform? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 We don't pretty much know that. Did you skip 2008? Or have you just mercifully repressed the memory? Well I did my part and voted. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Well I did my part and voted. A lot of us did, for all the good that did. Did you happen to notice a guy whose party got a plurality? He used prorogation to avoid a confidence vote and then went on a campaign to lie to the people. It wasn't a pretty sight. People didn't seem to notice the fact that he lied through his teeth about the way the system is supposed to work and he got more votes (and seats) next election. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 A lot of us did, for all the good that did. Did you happen to notice a guy whose party got a plurality? He used prorogation to avoid a confidence vote and then went on a campaign to lie to the people. It wasn't a pretty sight. People didn't seem to notice the fact that he lied through his teeth about the way the system is supposed to work and he got more votes (and seats) next election. I was referring to this election. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I was referring to this election. Yeah. And I'm just wondering why you assume it would go differently this time. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Yeah. And I'm just wondering why you assume it would go differently this time. Because the polls have been fairly steady for a while now, and both opp.parties have said they ill take Harper down at the throne speech, if they need to. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 The endorsements (except for the Star shills) serve a purpose for those who care. In spite of all the Conservative foibles - Foibles. That must be a political science term I don't know. Is cheating on election a foible? Del Mastro in chains - is that be cause he has too many foibles? Is there a legal limit? Is race baiting a foible? In addition to the Canadian Media, there are at least a half dozen major international papers calling Harper out for that. They didn't call it foibles though. Bribing a sitting senator - is that a foible? What about interfering in the affairs of a supposedly (according to Harper) body. Would that be a foible? Is evading democratic accountability by using your MP's as pawns and writing 500 page omnibus bills another foible? What about withholding information from parliament and parliamentary officers? Is that a foible too? And gagging scientists - is that a foible? Harper has just accumulated too many foibles and everyone else has foible-envy. They're just jealous of Harper because he has so many foibles. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 Because the polls have been fairly steady for a while now, and both opp.parties have said they ill take Harper down at the throne speech, if they need to. And Harper is aware of that. What will stop him from coming up with games to avoid parliament long enough to convince his poorly educated base that Trudeau and Mulcair are planning a coup d'etat. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 And Harper is aware of that. What will stop him from coming up with games to avoid parliament long enough to convince his poorly educated base that Trudeau and Mulcair are planning a coup d'etat. We'll see, but I doubt he comes up with enough seats to make us need to worry about that. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 (edited) We'll see, but I doubt he comes up with enough seats to make us need to worry about that. He only needs a plurality. There's still a good possibility that could happen. There seems to be a happy assumption that he's just going to show up for a non-confidence vote he knows he's going to lose. That seems rather naive. Edited October 17, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 He only needs a plurality. There's still a good possibility that could happen. There seems to be a happy assumption that he's just going to show up for a non-confidence vote he knows he's going to lose. That seems rather naive. And then he doesn't get past the throne speech. Quote
Bryan Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 He only needs a plurality. There's still a good possibility that could happen. There seems to be a happy assumption that he's just going to show up for a non-confidence vote he knows he's going to lose. That seems rather naive. Indeed. Opposition supporters didn't think Harper would be able to stay on in 2006 or 2008 either. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 It seems that PostMedia has ordered its chain of papers to endorse Harper. Freedom of the press belongs to those who own one (or many in this case). But it seems that all is not happy in PostMedia land. Word is the their smartest and most principled columnist has endorsed another - but they won't run it. CANADALAND has learned that though Coyne the editor has signed off on an official National Post Harper endorsement, Coyne the columnist planned to endorse a different candidate under his own byline in the paper tomorrow. Will Coyne stick with the Post? Too soon to be sure. When asked by CANADALAND if Coyne has in fact resigned, either as an editor or as a columnist, a senior Postmedia employee answered with a question: "What time is it?" Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Argus Posted October 17, 2015 Report Posted October 17, 2015 I rather think Harper is more an Alliance Reformer than a conservative because even the PC had their problems, Harper has taken corruption on Parliament Hill to a new standard. Drivel. Aside from the ongoing fiddling with Senate expense accounts - which has probably been going on for a century - the corruption under Harper has been drastically less than under the last several governments. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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