ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Nothing in and of itself, but to call yourself non partisan when your chairman is a senior Republican senator and, so far as I can tell, every member of your board are Republicans seems a little odd. A little odd? It looks like Harper is funneling money to his Republican buddies. You can bet that their version of "democracy" isn't exactly what the same as most Canadians. Don't forget that it was a Republican administration that imposed its version of free market economics on Iraq when it "liberated" the country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) Some information about the IRI from the New York Times. Certainly the institute’s mission is in keeping with Mr. McCain’s full-throated support for exporting American democratic values. Yet the institute is also something of a revolving door for lobbyists and out-of-power Republicans that offers big donors a way of helping both the party and the institute’s chairman, who is the second sitting member of Congress — and now candidate for president — ever to head one of the democracy groups. a revolving door for lobbyists and out-of-power Republicans. Nice. Edited October 10, 2015 by ReeferMadness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Gee - they gave them $2 million a year for four years to the Republican Institute enhance multi-party democracy.......but they also gave the National Democratic Institute $2.7 million to further democracy as well. Republicans, Democrats....big conspiracy going on to further democracy. Wow. Link: http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/acdi-cida/contributions.nsf/Eng/0C194A190668148E85257D420061CEC0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Gee - they gave them $2 million a year for four years to the Republican Institute enhance multi-party democracy.......but they also gave the National Democratic Institute $2.7 million to further democracy as well. Republicans, Democrats....big conspiracy going on to further democracy. Wow. Link: http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/acdi-cida/contributions.nsf/Eng/0C194A190668148E85257D420061CEC0 That makes it better? Why is my government outsourcing this to Washington? Maybe they think nobody in Canada understands democracy - because they certainly don't We had our own International Centre for Rights and Democracy until Harper shut it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keepitsimple Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 (edited) Thanks for this thread - learning a lot from you here. If you want to learn more - take a look at the National Democratic Institute for foreign Affairs - to which the government donated $2.7 million this year.....and yes, though non-partisan, the NDI is loosely affiliated with the Democratic Party. Reading the following excerpt, you can see once again how a thread title can be so misleading. Putting partisan sniping aside, take a look at all of the grants that are made to further democracy around the world if you'd like to learn something more substantial and meaningful from this thread.... The NDI was founded in 1983, shortly after the United States Congress created the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).[4] The NED's creation was followed by the establishment of three related institutes, the Center for International Private Enterprise (CIPE), the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs (NDI) and the National Republican Institute for International Affairs (later renamed the International Republican Institute, IRI). The Endowment serves as the umbrella organization through which these three institutes and an expanding number of private sector groups would receive funding to carry out programs abroad.[5] The NDI, loosely affiliated to the Democratic Party,[6] is an "associated organization" of the Socialist International.[7] Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Democratic_Institute_for_International_Affairs Link to one fiscal quarter of grants: http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/acdi-cida/contributions.nsf/vQuater-Eng?OpenView&RestrictToCategory=p3-2014-2015-Q1 Edited October 10, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 And yet, somehow, the money went to Washington Republicans. Would you be OK if the money were given to say, French Socialists, as long as it was earmarked for Ukrainian democracy? The money went specifically to the democracy project in Ukraine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 The money went specifically to the democracy project in Ukraine. You haven't answered the question. Would you be OK with sending money to French socialists, as long as they promised to spend it on Ukrainian democracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 We had our own International Centre for Rights and Democracy until Harper shut it down. Isn't this the cover story for why Canada deposed the democratically elected president of Haiti in 2004 ? "Soft Power" at work...Canadian style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 So, the US has two institutions promoting democracy, one comprised only of Republicans and one comprised only of Democrats. And both are "non-partisan". And our sick-puppy government wades into this soap opera by giving our money to each. What a gong show. Let's run these guys out of town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Isn't this the cover story for why Canada deposed the democratically elected president of Haiti in 2004 ? "Soft Power" at work...Canadian style. And the IRI trained the people who overthrew him. You have a point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 And the IRI trained the people who overthrew him. You have a point? The point is obvious...this is what Canada has done for decades....it's not just a Harper thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 The point is obvious...this is what Canada has done for decades....it's not just a Harper thing. The Harper thing is giving money to American "non partisan" organizations because he clearly doesn't know squat about democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Maybe they read the information on the website before going hog wild. Apparently some have read it but are still going hog wild with the conspiracy/bribery theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 The money went specifically to the democracy project in Ukraine. Shhh... don't let facts get in the way of a good narrative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 You haven't answered the question. Would you be OK with sending money to French socialists, as long as they promised to spend it on Ukrainian democracy? "...as long as they promised"? No. If they were involved in the actual project that is ongoing in Ukraine right now? Why would I oppose that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Actually it's a foreign aid grant to help build the democratic process in Ukraine. The International Republican institute really is a non-partisan organization that works to help build democracies internationally. It has no connection with the Republican Party itself. Bring on those conspiracy theories tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 What I've read is the IRI, helps countries with replacing leaders and they help Harper in 2006 get elected and u can read more especially this topic over on globalreasearch.ca they have the full story. Harper helped them, they helped Harper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Actually it's a foreign aid grant to help build the democratic process in Ukraine. The International Republican institute really is a non-partisan organization that works to help build democracies internationally. It has no connection with the Republican Party itself. Bring on those conspiracy theories tho. Sure. It's a non-partisan organization that "just happens" to be made up of Republicans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 Sure. It's a non-partisan organization that "just happens" to be made up of Republicans. But, but but... he also gave to the Democrat equivalent - is that okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 I would say that illegal and its illegal for foreign government to get involve in Canadian elections. http://boingboing.net/2015/10/09/canadian-tories-funneled-8m-i.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 But, but but... he also gave to the Democrat equivalent - is that okay? No, it's not OK Why is our government giving money to foreign organizations - aren't Canadians capable of promoting democracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 I would say that illegal and its illegal for foreign government to get involve in Canadian elections. http://boingboing.net/2015/10/09/canadian-tories-funneled-8m-i.html I'd say it's just another conspiracy theory not founded in fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 No, it's not OK Why is our government giving money to foreign organizations - aren't Canadians capable of promoting democracy? I can agree that foreign aid money could be better spent, but all in all, it's not as nefarious as some think it is. They gave to both organizations which are as the websites show nonprofit, nonpartisan organizations that help countries build democratic institutions. They do not advocate for right-wing policies abroad either, it's just spin put out to try and smear the gov't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 No, it's not OK Why is our government giving money to foreign organizations - aren't Canadians capable of promoting democracy? Apparently not...without a little help from its friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReeferMadness Posted October 10, 2015 Report Share Posted October 10, 2015 I can agree that foreign aid money could be better spent, but all in all, it's not as nefarious as some think it is. They gave to both organizations which are as the websites show nonprofit, nonpartisan organizations that help countries build democratic institutions. They do not advocate for right-wing policies abroad either, it's just spin put out to try and smear the gov't. They're giving it to nakedly partisan organizations. Do you think an organization that happens to contain nothing but NDPers is non-partisan just because because they put those words on their website? Think a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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