Rue Posted October 10, 2015 Author Report Posted October 10, 2015 Thak you Scrib you proved my point.This crap is not limited to Tory candidates, its a phenomena of fundamentalism that is prevalent in certain ethnic communities. The guy in my riding is unrepentant. He truly believes certain homosexuals were as he says "shocked" when they were young to becoming gay-whatever the phack that means. Why we are even discussing it is ridiculous. The damn country is faced with serious economic issues, world instability from terrorism and economic tarrifs beyond our control and all this idiot can talk about is pee pee placement. Dang. Bad enough the Blue Jays blew it now this? Quote
scribblet Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Well said Rue! Thak you Scrib you proved my point...........amn country is faced with serious economic issues, world instability from terrorism and economic tarrifs beyond our control and all this idiot can talk about is pee pee placement. Dang. Bad enough the Blue Jays blew it now this? Well said Rue, all of this is nothing but a gotcha let's see who we can out today. No doubt there are many others out there who are just smart enough not to voice their opinion on it. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Bryan Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Conversion therapy helps a lot of people. People can and do "change teams" if they want to, I know several people who have done it. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Conversion therapy helps a lot of people. People can and do "change teams" if they want to, I know several people who have done it. No it doesn't. It is pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo now solely the domain of religious fanatics. Let's be very clear here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. Not one thing, and anybody who tells a gay person they need help to become straight is a bigot. Quote
Bryan Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 No it doesn't. It is pseudo scientific mumbo jumbo now solely the domain of religious fanatics. Let's be very clear here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being gay. Not one thing, and anybody who tells a gay person they need help to become straight is a bigot. It can and does work. Many people are helped. I know several of them personally. Denial is the domain of people who care more about their political agenda than helping people. Let me be very clear here. There is absolutely nothing wrong with wanting to be straight. Not one thing. Anyone who tells someone that they can't be straight if they want to is a bigot. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Anyone who tells someone that they can't be straight if they want to is a bigot. I don't believe sexuality is a choice but I don't understand how that makes me a bigot. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Bryan Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 I don't believe sexuality is a choice but I don't understand how that makes me a bigot. Are you saying that people can NOT make a choice? If so, that makes you bigoted against the people who absolutely HAVE made the choice. Quote
waldo Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Are you saying that people can NOT make a choice? If so, that makes you bigoted against the people who absolutely HAVE made the choice. notwithstanding your personal anecdotes, can you provide reference to legitimate scientific/medical based research that speaks to the success you claim "conversion therapy" has... can you provide reference to recognized and authoritative medical organizations/institutions that recognize and promote "conversion therapy"? Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 notwithstanding your personal anecdotes, can you provide reference to legitimate scientific/medical based research that speaks to the success you claim "conversion therapy" has... can you provide reference to recognized and authoritative medical organizations/institutions that recognize and promote "conversion therapy"? He can't because there is none. Certainly there are bi-sexual individuals and other folks experimenting and discovering their sexuality who decide to choose heterosexuality without the need for this quack conversion therapy. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
Michael Hardner Posted October 10, 2015 Report Posted October 10, 2015 Are you saying that people can NOT make a choice? If so, that makes you bigoted against the people who absolutely HAVE made the choice. I think that people who say that are lying or mistaken, but I won't hold that against them. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Bryan Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 I think that people who say that are lying or mistaken, but I won't hold that against them. You are holding it against them if you think that. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 You are holding it against them if you think that. No. I wouldn't even bother questioning them to figure out if they're lying or mistaken. They're wrong, but if it doesn't impact others then I'm fine with it. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Bryan Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 (edited) No. I wouldn't even bother questioning them to figure out if they're lying or mistaken. They're wrong, but if it doesn't impact others then I'm fine with it. That's bigotry personified. Edited October 11, 2015 by Bryan Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 That's bigotry personified. "Bigotry personified" would be bigotry in the form of a person. I don't think you're saying that *I* am bigotry personified. I think you're trying to say 'by definition', if I may. I typed 'bigotry definition' into Google and got: "intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself." By allowing the people who own these opinions to continue without my even questioning them, I'm showing tolerance. So, I'm not 'bigotry personified' and I'm not engaging in 'bigotry by definition'. You could also argue that those who deny homosexuality exists, except as a choice, show intolerance but I don't think so. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Bryan Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 By allowing the people who own these opinions to continue without my even questioning them, I'm showing tolerance. So, I'm not 'bigotry personified' and I'm not engaging in 'bigotry by definition'. You showed intolerance by claiming they are either lying or mistaken. You absolutely ARE questioning them. You absolutely are engaging in bigotry. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 You showed intolerance by claiming they are either lying or mistaken. You absolutely ARE questioning them. You absolutely are engaging in bigotry. This requires such a loose definition of the word as to render it useless. Simple objection or critique do not constitute bigotry. Quote
waldo Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 He can't because there is none. MLW member Bryan seems quite confident in his repeated statements... perhaps he's working on the request and not simply choosing to ignore it. Let's give him further time to respond and provide reference to legitimate scientific/medical based research that speaks to the success he claims "conversion therapy" has... to provide reference to recognized and authoritative medical organizations/institutions that recognize and promote "conversion therapy"? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 You showed intolerance by claiming they are either lying or mistaken. That's not intolerance - its rejection of their opinions. Disagreeing with people isn't intolerance - that's ridiculous. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Bryan Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 That's not intolerance - its rejection of their opinions. Disagreeing with people isn't intolerance - that's ridiculous. So, disagreeing with homosexuality and rejecting it isn't intolerance or bigotry either then?? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 So, disagreeing with homosexuality and rejecting it isn't intolerance or bigotry either then??Simply letting gays just be gay and moving on is not intolerance or bigotry. Not complicated. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 So, disagreeing with homosexuality and rejecting it isn't intolerance or bigotry either then?? It is because it is an irrational prejudice, like hating Jews. Quote
Bryan Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 It is because it is an irrational prejudice, like hating Jews. Your prejudice is equally irrational. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 So, disagreeing with homosexuality and rejecting it isn't intolerance or bigotry either then?? If you can somehow do that without rejecting the person, then I don't think it is. At the last Catholic memorial of a friend, the priest thanked the deceased man's husband and acknowledged the great love they had for each other. The priest had no intolerance or bigotry for the man, but he personally rejected the sin. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Bryan Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 If you can somehow do that without rejecting the person, then I don't think it is. At the last Catholic memorial of a friend, the priest thanked the deceased man's husband and acknowledged the great love they had for each other. The priest had no intolerance or bigotry for the man, but he personally rejected the sin. And that's the case wight eh vast majority of Christians and Christian organizations, including those who provide reparative therapies. That they care about the people is the reason they offer the help. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 11, 2015 Report Posted October 11, 2015 And that's the case wight eh vast majority of Christians and Christian organizations, including those who provide reparative therapies. That they care about the people is the reason they offer the help. Maybe that's their motivation, I can't say. But they're mistaken about it. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
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