PrimeNumber Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) Possibly because the police arrested the Toronto group that wanted to do that. When is the time to prevent such things, AFTER they've happened? The environment has become more dangerous because of ISIS sympathizers. And I don't see anything about the new law which is going to have any impact on me or any normal Canadians. It just isn't needed. We can do everything we need to without giving authority more power. This is one of the things Osama had in mind when launching his attack against America. Get them to give away their freedom to authority. Make us more like them. Makes their takeover that much easier. The security measures are already in place. Edited September 14, 2015 by PrimeNumber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Even the original Bush invasion had some bad long lasting effects that are still felt today... I'm sure the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait did, as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeNumber Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I'm sure the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait did, as well. Exactly. All wars have consequence. Just because you defeated the enemy doesn't you won't suffer more extreme consequence than if you left that enemy alone. Out of the Suddam we have ISIS. I'll take Saddam every damn day of the year over ISIS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 "I'll take Saddam every damn day of the year over ISIS." OK just don't start whining about all the refugees ISIS creates and sends to Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69cat Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I thought Springer had a good initial post, too bad the left wing can only respond on issues such as bill c51 using the slippery slop and what if angle. I personally could care less what government agency is monitoring my email, i am more concerned about what internet entity is trying to hack my personal bank info, but here i am on the internet anyway. I am in Sask and to say the Conservatives are loosing ground in the west is, well, questionable to be polite. No doubt the urban centers have their support for the ndp with unions and people who have no real job or knowledge of budgeting but that is the voter base they target and buy those votes. As a friend said, the working stiff and small business owners will tend to vote Conservative. And the left wing still ponders how they can buy that vote too. Well, as the number of people working declines they get more voters. Then we have JT planning more deficit spending. It hasnt worked for what, 10 years in Ontario, but it simply has to work somewhere sometime so thd liberals should keep at it. I guess if that is all you know about fiscal management then that is all one can expect. Long gun registery, hmmm, someone on here must be good at tracking stats. How many people in last 30 years were killed with handguns and knives vs long guns. I would be curious to know. As for Syria, yeah its a mess with the summation of decades of meddling. But this is where things are as of right now, no imaginery "what if" scenarios. You want to help the refugees, then do what can be done to give them their homes back. If your home land was tore apart by civil war would you be on tv complaining about a countries immigration policy or demanding the civilized world get their act together and restore order. In Canada, restoring order angle doesnt play well with the left so there will be no discussion at all on that. Lets only discuss refugees so we can all feel warm and fuzzy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 (edited) "I personally could care less what government agency is monitoring my email, i am more concerned about what internet entity is trying to hack my personal bank info, but here i am on the internet anyway."You'll be happy to know that the NSA recruits hackers in Las Vegas who will have plenty of access to your bank info. Re: Syria and the refugees just accept NATO has destabilized the whole region with it's neoconservative policies and Harper has and continues to play a part in that. The neoconservatives have been totally discredited and belong in psychiatric evaluation not in positions of power. Edited September 14, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 You'll be happy to know that the NSA recruits hackers in Las Vegas Salt Lake City who will have plenty of access to your bank info. FTFY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToadBrother Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 "I personally could care less what government agency is monitoring my email, i am more concerned about what internet entity is trying to hack my personal bank info, but here i am on the internet anyway." You'll be happy to know that the NSA recruits hackers in Las Vegas who will have plenty of access to your bank info. Re: Syria and the refugees just accept NATO has destabilized the whole region with it's neoconservative policies and Harper has and continues to play a part in that. The neoconservatives have been totally discredited and belong in psychiatric evaluation not in positions of power. The region has been unstable since the Ottoman Empire collapsed (and really, parts of the Ottoman Empire were already falling apart before WWI). That's not to say Western meddling isn't a major part of that, but that instability hardly started with NATO, and really started when the British and French worked with great dedication to cut the Ottoman Empire to ribbons a century ago. States like Syria and Iraq, unstable coalitions of tribal, ethnic and religious groups, were not created by the US, but rather by the Allied Great Powers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Well, don't worry, the SCC will take care of your, and my, constitutional rights as usual. And then you'll be free to promote and glorify terrorism. I'm sure you'll be celebrating... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 It just isn't needed. And I'm to accept the word of some guy on the internet, expert as you no doubt are, that the government and security services don't need these laws? I've yet to be shown any reasonable likelihood of these laws being misused or misapplied, so you'll pardon me not getting all worked up over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Re: Syria and the refugees just accept NATO has destabilized the whole region with it's neoconservative policies . No, I don't believe I will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69cat Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 So if the NSA has access to my bank info, should i be concerned about that? I am worried about someone getting into my account and taking my money and/or ruining my credit rating. Does this happen alot? Does the NSA do this? If so, we should have some government agency to protect my interests, similar to how the police are available when my physical property is at risk. If bill c51 doesnt include monitoring of cyber crime will any of the parties work on some sort of agency as we move further into the 21st century. A guy robbing me on the street is not a worry to me as he can have my $50, my bank account is more worrisome so what should my opinion of bill c51 be in that regard? Regarding the Middle East, yes it goes much deeper and back to borders being redrawn after the Ottoman Empire collapsed and those new borders forced together groups of different ethnic and religous ideals. Picture North America with a 60% Muslim content. I would not consider my self a racist or religous idealist, i am just saying i would see a lot of friction as is evident already. I am a pretty simple guy, what are neo conservative policies? Does Russia also have neo conservatives as they have been heavily involved in the middle east for decades, i thought they were labelled communists, what am i missing here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) To put it bluntly, security agencies don't give a rat's butt about your emails unless: a ) they contain child pornography, and b ) you're talking terrorist s***. They have enough on their plates without wasting their incredibly valuable time on anything else of absolutely no consequence to the issues on the table in front of them. As Argus astutely put it, Google et al collect a helluva lot more of your personal data of any consequence than the likes of the NSA or CSIS would care to waste five seconds on. Edited September 15, 2015 by Springer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69cat Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Yeah, but that all doesnt play well with the lefties Springer. Remember, we are suppossed to be afraid of Harper and what he says and here you go being sensible and making it sound like we should be afraid of what the left is telling us. I mean, the left would not be mis-representing anything or creating irrational fears now would they? That is only Harper doing that, no way could it be flipped around. But i dont have anything to hide so perhaps i differ greatly from those oppossed to bill c51. By the way, regarding neo conservatives, if it takes two to tango in the middle east and Russia is socialist can we all agree socialist ideals are equally at play or is that a completely different animal. Anyway, would be nice to hear some counter point to Springers original post or was it just too concise to contest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) The right wing authoritarians are hard at work on the keyboards today. So question for you right wing authoritarian dystopian surveillance state proponents:Do you expect me and other Canadians to pay for a massive surveillance apparatus to spy on ourselves like we really want to be a modern stasi state or communist China emulators and shell out massive funds for it?How about all right wing authoritarians in support of a massive surveillance state which eliminates privacy have to pay for it and those who don't want their right to privacy eliminated don't have to pay for it. Seems at least fair doesn't it? Oh I'm guessing you thought we who believe in privacy and civil rights in Canada were going to have to pay for those rights to be violated. Are the right wing authoritarians cowards or what? ToadBrother: Yes as has been mentioned recently in another thread there were predecessors to the neoconservatives going back decades. Edited September 15, 2015 by G Huxley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 69cat... Nobody frets a conspiracy theory like a lefty, eh? Some of 'em are still convinced Bush was behind 9/11. They love to obsess over Harper's supposed connections to Canada's rich and powerful corporate elites. Fact is, one need look no further than Chretien, Martin and Rae in that regard. Indeed, Harper is likely the least beholding to Bay Street of any PM since Diefenbaker. He is certainly the least impressed and intimidated by wealth and power that I have ever seen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 "He is certainly the least impressed and intimidated by wealth and power that I have ever seen."Why would he? He spends all his time bending over for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) And BTW... Today marks the 7th anniversary of TransCanada Pipeline's application to build the Keystone. Seven GD years, including five studies, all of which gave it approval. You wanna see a leader play toady to the rich and powerful, in this case the Enviro Millionaire Wannabe Do-gooder (Hollywood) Jet Set, look no further than that darling of the Liberal Lefties R Us Bootlickers Society, Obama. As one POed Democrat Senator said, to paraphrase: "It took us less time to fight WW2 than it's taken to make a decision on this pipeline!" What a pathetic farce that SOB turned out to be!!! Edited September 15, 2015 by Springer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Huxley, bending over for them? Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Suppressing science, selling Canadian companies and resources to foreign countries, pushing free trade agreements left right and center etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 And BTW... Today marks the 7th anniversary of TransCanada Pipeline's application to build the Keystone. Seven GD years, including five studies, all of which gave it approval. thread drift... there are no shortage of KXL related threads... if you're up for it, find one of those, name your 5 studies and we'll have some fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69cat Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Exactly what right to privacy do you think we have now? If you are acting suspicious you can get questioned or otherwise have your "rights" violated, is that not true? And so, as technology changes does it not make sense that the police tactics change and adapt new technology? Or is it your beleif we rely on cops walking the beat to keep you safe now, and as it has ever been. I have been pulled over for no reason at all for driving down a back road at night a number of times and not violating any law, i would say six times. Is that not a violation of my right to privacy? If a policeman shows up at my door with a search warrant, can i exercise my right to privacy. I am a pretty simple guy so these are two things that come to mind. If bill c51 is not passed can i give the policeman the finger and carry on my day? That is my right to privacy, correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitops Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I have been pulled over for no reason at all for driving down a back road at night a number of times and not violating any law, i would say six times. Is that not a violation of my right to privacy? Unfortunately no, the police are allowed to stop anyone for committing the act of driving. This was true before C-51. However, if they for example stopped you for no reason and then decided to give you the breathalyzer, that would not be allowed unless there was reason to suspect impairment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Huxley Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 "If a policeman shows up at my door with a search warrant, can i exercise my right to privacy."They required a warrant in such a case and had due process. That's the difference. Why are conservatives so scared by nature? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springer Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 (edited) Huxley... I'm not even going to bother responding to that. This isn't the place for a history/economics lesson, nor would you read it anyway...and besides, I'm fresh out of crayons. Waldo... There were five studies, confirmation of which you should be able to Google up in about 10 or so seconds. And, yes it is pertinent. That useless SOB has singlehandedly cost Canadians tens of billions in lost revenues, and many billions more lost by both levels of governments in royalties and taxes. Lost due to our oil being sold at hefty discounts of $20/bbl and more because of the bottleneck caused due to lack of pipeline facilities. He's most sorry excuse for a president I've ever seen. But then again, what the hell to do Canada's left care anyway, eh? Gots to fight AGW before we all burn to a crisp!!! Keeeeripes! Edited September 15, 2015 by Springer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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