waldo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 So you think that none of thsee refugees will break our Las and all will find work. Ok. Well call me cynical then I guess. so... it's just your cynicism then... you have no basis, no foundation for your raised concerns. And here I thought you'd be prepared to step-up and speak with authority on a matter you have much to say about..... surely... err clearly... surely & clearly!!! Quote
Canada_First Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 so... it's just your cynicism then... you have no basis, no foundation for your raised concerns. And here I thought you'd be prepared to step-up and speak with authority on a matter you have much to say about..... surely... err clearly... surely & clearly!!! Can we send them back or not? Quote
waldo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Can we send them back or not? how many will there be? Data... stats... we need to recognize just how serious your raised concerns are? Quote
Canada_First Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Forget it. The answer is no we can't. We're stuck with these people forever. Even if they choose to stay on welfare forever. Break our laws. Whatever. You obviously were ignorant of that. Now you have an answer. I helped you. Quote
Guest Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 I think it speaks a lot more to his desperation to get his family out of Syria. The folk-devilry surrounding smugglers is just the latest shtick in the never-ending hunt for scapegoats by the usual suspect sphincters - for whom the West is the only real victim in the conflagration consuming the ME region. Wait a minute, when did this happen? People smugglers are what now, Robin Hood?!?!? Quote
Guest Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 I haven't read much on this, but if this article is true http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/11/us-europe-migrants-turkey-iraq-idUSKCN0RB2BE20150911 Does the fact that he lost his family along with the other victims of his alleged actions absolve him of blame for those alleged actions? Quote
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 It's entirely irrelevant to the big picture to which his dead son was a symbol. Quote
waldo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) I haven't read much on this, but if this article is true there are 2 sides being presented in that article you linked... is there a "true" side you're reflecting upon? As I said back in post #4 in response to member PIK's fevered attempt to cast aspersion: it's an unsubstantiated claim being made... "woman claims". And the father is denying the claim. In this "she-said, he-said"... which is all it is at this point... and even if true, does that diminish in any way the symbolism of the drowned child washed up on the beach? Edited September 12, 2015 by waldo Quote
capricorn Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 yet more... more of your character assassination of the father? . I suppose in your universe "character assassination" is what you would call it. Meanwhile, the distraught father continues to live in his war torn city in Syria oblivious to the civil war ongoing all around him. He must feel relatively safe because he has refused an offer of asylum from the Turkish government. The father of the 3-year-old Syrian Kurdish boy who washed up ashore on the Bodrum coast last week has said President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has since offered him Turkish citizenship, but that he rejected the offer despite feeling honored by the invitation. http://en.cihan.com.tr/en/aylan-kurdis-father-rejects-erdogans-citizenship-offer-1886506.htm Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
capricorn Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 It's entirely irrelevant to the big picture to which his dead son was a symbol. This thread is about the allegations that the boy's father is a people smuggler. Speaking of big picture why do you suppose waldo continues to post the photo of the body on the shore? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Guest Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 there are 2 sides being presented in that article you linked... is there a "true" side you're reflecting upon? As I said back in post #4 in response to member PIK's fevered attempt to cast aspersion: it's an unsubstantiated claim being made... "woman claims". And the father is denying the claim. In this "she-said, he-said"... which is all it is at this point... and even if true, does that diminish in any way the symbolism of the drowned child washed up on the beach? Why would it? The photo is what the photo is. I didn't see this thread as being related to the photo in any real sense. Let's face it, the only difference between that kid and the others who lost their lives in that sinking is that he had his picture taken. No, I don't have a true side, but it seems like there's a feeling in this thread that the truth doesn't matter. I get the impression that there are those who, if it is true that Pops was a smuggler, would rather that just all went away. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 This thread is about the allegations that the boy's father is a people smuggler. Speaking of big picture why do you suppose waldo continues to post the photo of the body on the shore? This thread and the accusations are latched on upon by Conservative supporters for what reason do you suppose? Why are we attacking this guy? The larger point is hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Middle East. Not one guy and his family. He's utterly irrelevant and the picture is nothing more than a rhetorical device to appeal to people to pay attention to the bigger problem. Quote
Guest Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 This thread and the accusations are latched on upon by Conservative supporters for what reason do you suppose? Why are we attacking this guy? The larger point is hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Middle East. Not one guy and his family. He's utterly irrelevant and the picture is nothing more than a rhetorical device to appeal to people to pay attention to the bigger problem. I seem to remember reading somewhere that he blamed Canada. I'm just wondering if it still my fault, or if it was actually his fault. It's a reasonable thing to be curious about. Quote
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 I seem to remember reading somewhere that he blamed Canada. I'm just wondering if it still my fault, or if it was actually his fault. It's a reasonable thing to be curious about. I don't remember him saying it was bcsapper's fault? Can you show me where he used your name? Or are you going to just ignore the Conservative Party's heartless policies and pretend that he didn't mean "the Canadian Government" when he said "Canada"? Quote
Guest Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 I don't remember him saying it was bcsapper's fault? Can you show me where he used your name? Or are you going to just ignore the Conservative Party's heartless policies and pretend that he didn't mean "the Canadian Government" when he said "Canada"? Phew, that's a relief. The Canadian government then. Quote
capricorn Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 This thread and the accusations are latched on upon by Conservative supporters for what reason do you suppose? You are using the wrong terminology. They are not "accusations", they are "allegations". Big difference. Why are we attacking this guy? Who's attacking him? Some media reports have been quoted in this thread and the allegations commented on. That's all. The larger point is hundreds of thousands of refugees from the Middle East. There's another thread discussing that very subject. As I see it, this is not the thread for that discussion. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
waldo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 There's another thread discussing that very subject. As I see it, this is not the thread for that discussion. so... you want this thread to be solely for your character assassination then, hey! . Quote
waldo Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Speaking of big picture why do you suppose waldo continues to post the photo of the body on the shore? posted twice... is it getting to you? Of course, that symbolic photo is the big picture you refuse to acknowledge! Quote
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) so... you want this thread to be solely for your character assassination then, hey! Essentially, "please stop putting these things into the broader context because it ruins a good Muslim-bashing narrative." Edited September 12, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) I suppose in your universe "character assassination" is what you would call it. Meanwhile, the distraught father continues to live in his war torn city in Syria oblivious to the civil war ongoing all around him. He must feel relatively safe because he has refused an offer of asylum from the Turkish government. http://en.cihan.com.tr/en/aylan-kurdis-father-rejects-erdogans-citizenship-offer-1886506.htm Meanwhile, the distraught father is living in his war torn city because that is where his family has been laid to rest. If you speak to any parent who has lost a child, they feel compelled to stay in the very home the child was raised, never mind the city they lived together as a family. Until you can walk in someone else's shoes, you cannot judge or assassinate someone. Perhaps he made a deal with the smugglers so he could get his family to a better life. Many refugees will become smugglers and take on the risk of arrest as well as the dangers of the journey to escape the hell on earth they are experiencing. Many governments are involved in smuggling as well. Officials are easily paid off to look the other way when refugees are boarding a ship. The Australian government has been accused of paying off smugglers to turn around and not land in their country. Edited September 12, 2015 by WestCoastRunner Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
cybercoma Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 Meanwhile, the distraught father is living in his war torn city because that is where his family has been laid to rest. If you speak to any parent who has lost a child, they feel compelled to stay in the very home the child was raised, never mind the city they lived together as a family. He was trying to find a better life for his family. They're now dead. He has nothing to live for anymore. He probably doesn't care whether he lives or dies at this point. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 He was trying to find a better life for his family. They're now dead. He has nothing to live for anymore. He probably doesn't care whether he lives or dies at this point. This is true for any grieving parent, even if they are Muslim. You are right. I guess the accusations here mean that muslims don't grieve the loss of their family like other 'westerners'. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
drummindiver Posted September 12, 2015 Report Posted September 12, 2015 (edited) J...F...C... Now you are defending human smuggling. WestCoastRunner "Many governments are involved in smuggling as well. Officials are easily paid off to look the other way when refugees are boarding a ship. The Australian government has been accused of paying off smugglers to turn around and not land in their country". Edited September 12, 2015 by drummindiver Quote
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