Argus Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 You give me a misogynistic homophobic Muslim, and I'll show you a conservative Hindu, or heck, even some fundamentalist Christians and Mormons. Of course, unlike the misogynistic, homophobic Muslim, and probably even the conservative Hindu, the fundamentalist Christian isn't likely to want homosexuals executed. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Of course, unlike the misogynistic, homophobic Muslim, and probably even the conservative Hindu, the fundamentalist Christian isn't likely to want homosexuals executed. I think you'd best look at the Christian Identity movements. And far right Hindus can be every bit as bloodthirsty as their extremist Muslim and Christian counterparts. But again, all three groups are minority factions. I won't argue that anti-gay sentiment is a lot more prevalent in Muslim communities, but go read a Catholic fundamentalist web forum, and while conservative Catholics are a minority of Catholics, they're hardly a small minority. Quote
dialamah Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 Christian groups and politicians encourage other countries in anti-gay laws, since doing so in Western countries can be problematic. "In the VICE episode, Bahati refuses to name any one of his American partners, but Inhofe is clearly one. Also among Bahati's supporters and partners are Scott Lively, Pastor Rick Warren,Sharon Slater, and the World Congress of Families. And Bahati makes clear he and his country support the culture these American Christian extremists have brought to Uganda – one that teaches, falsely, that gay people are all pedophiles, homosexuality is a choice, it is evil, and children must be protected from it at all costs." Yeung asks, "Have you ever raped a lesbian?" "Yeah," the man replies. "Serious raping." Then Yeung asks, "So what would you do if you saw a gay man?" "Kill! Kill! You kill that one! Kill! I just kill them. Woman and woman we rape, but man and man we kill." Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 14, 2015 Report Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Christian groups and politicians encourage other countries in anti-gay laws, since doing so in Western countries can be problematic. ---SNIP--- I guess that means we better stop Christian immigrants from getting into Canada! Edited October 14, 2015 by Charles Anthony [---SNIP---] Quote
waldo Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 Once again Waldo - do you have any cite to support what you are claiming? Please don't try to mix Syrian refugees with the US world-wide refugee quota. I can only work with the facts - from your own article....a target of 10,000 in 2016 and maybe more in 2017. cite provided... again, respective ceilings raised per Obama order; Obama and Kerry indicate prioritization within new ceiling limits to be given to Syrian refugees. Again, ceiling increases from 70K-to-85K (2016), from 85K-to-100K (2017), prioritized to accommodate Syrian refugees takes that current level of 10K-to-25K-to-40K. It's 'simple' math! I note, your repeated refusal to provide those "Harper Conservative" Syrian refugee commitments from the past versus actual numbers of refugees processed into Canada - is there a problem... for you? Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) cite provided... again, respective ceilings raised per Obama order; Obama and Kerry indicate prioritization within new ceiling limits to be given to Syrian refugees. Again, ceiling increases from 70K-to-85K (2016), from 85K-to-100K (2017), prioritized to accommodate Syrian refugees takes that current level of 10K-to-25K-to-40K. It's 'simple' math! No - cite has not been provided. With the US intake of all refugees rising to 100,000 in 2017, you still have not provided any cite that supports your claim that Syrian refugees will comprise 25% of all US refugees in 2017 and 40% in 2018. It's a ludicrous claim, especially when compared to what the Obama administration has actually accomplished - again, from your own article: Among the beneficiaries of the new policy will be Syrians. The United States has taken in about 1,500 Syrian refugees since the conflict began more than four years ago, while Europe has been absorbing hundreds of thousands. Edited October 15, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
waldo Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 No - cite has not been provided. With the US intake of all refugees rising to 100,000 in 2017, you still have not provided any cite that supports your claim that Syrian refugees will comprise 25% of all US refugees in 2017 and 40% in 2018. It's a ludicrous claim, especially when compared to what the Obama administration has actually accomplished - again, from your own article: that's rich! You're fully prepared to accept the stated Harper Conservative commitment numbers... but not Obama's, hey! Notwithstanding you continue to avoid my request asking you to provide Harper Conservative commitment numbers versus actual Syrian refugees processed. Obama has committed to the 10K figure 'immediately' while, in turn, raising American refugee ceiling numbers intended to accommodate prioritized Syrian refugees. Again, ceiling increases from 70K-to-85K, from 85K-to-100K, prioritized to accommodate Syrian refugees, takes that current commitment level from 10K-to-25K-to-40K. It's 'simple' math! Citation already provided. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) that's rich! You're fully prepared to accept the stated Harper Conservative commitment numbers... but not Obama's, hey! Notwithstanding you continue to avoid my request asking you to provide Harper Conservative commitment numbers versus actual Syrian refugees processed. Obama has committed to the 10K figure 'immediately' while, in turn, raising American refugee ceiling numbers intended to accommodate prioritized Syrian refugees. Again, ceiling increases from 70K-to-85K, from 85K-to-100K, prioritized to accommodate Syrian refugees, takes that current commitment level from 10K-to-25K-to-40K. It's 'simple' math! Citation already provided. The purpose of bringing up Obama's lack of accomplishment is proportionality. Canada has taken in over 1000 Syrian refugees and been harassed for it - yet the US - 10 times our size has only taken in only 1500! Although I doubt it, perhaps I've missed your cite that says that the US will be changing it's refugee policy so that 25% of all refugees will be Syrian in 2017 and 40% in 2018. Could you please supply a post# or a link. Thanks. Edited October 15, 2015 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Argus Posted October 15, 2015 Report Posted October 15, 2015 cite provided... again, respective ceilings raised per Obama order; Obama and Kerry indicate prioritization within new ceiling limits to be given to Syrian refugees. Again, ceiling increases from 70K-to-85K (2016), from 85K-to-100K (2017), prioritized to accommodate Syrian refugees takes that current level of 10K-to-25K-to-40K. It's 'simple' math! I note, your repeated refusal to provide those "Harper Conservative" Syrian refugee commitments from the past versus actual numbers of refugees processed into Canada - is there a problem... for you? Canada takes in, proportionately, more refugees than that. So are you criticizing the US or praising Canad? Nope, you're praising the US and criticizing Canada! Doh! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Canada takes in, proportionately, more refugees than that. So are you criticizing the US or praising Canad? Nope, you're praising the US and criticizing Canada! Doh! you should direct your concerns to MLW member Simple... it was he, without regard to your declared proportionality, who initially brought forward a numbers comparison between the U.S./Obama versus Canada/Harper. In any case, MLW member Simple somehow thinks that Obama speaking of ceiling increases, in the context of Syrian refugees, had nothing to do with the U.S. taking in more Syrian refugees... MLW member Simple somehow thinks that Obama/Kerry speaking to prioritization, in the context of Syrian refugees, had nothing to do with the U.S. taking in more Syrian refugees. perhaps you can help with my repeated requests to MLW member Simple to have him provide the numbers for Harper Conservative commitments versus actual processed Syrian refugees... for some reason those requests just keep being ignored! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Can't anything happen in Canada without comparisons to the United States ? Wait...I already know the answer. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Can't anything happen in Canada without comparisons to the United States ? Wait...I already know the answer. Hypocrite.... every one of your posts is about Canada.... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Hypocrite.... every one of your posts is about Canada.... That's the point....very tedious...isn't it ? Please enjoy the Syrian refugee game without regard to how the United States plays it. Edited October 16, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Can't anything happen in Canada without comparisons to the United States ? Wait...I already know the answer. Can't ANYTHING happen without you somehow coming up with some lame quip about Canada? Oh wait...that was a stupid question. disregard,catry on Quote
The_Squid Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 That's the point....very tedious...right ? Please enjoy the Syrian refugee game without regard to how the United States plays it. You are purposely being tedious? Seems like trolling to me. It's OK that you don't understand Canada or Canadians... we forgive you for that.... but the trolling really is getting tedious... your goal has been accomplished... congratulations. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 You are purposely being tedious? Seems like trolling to me. It's OK that you don't understand Canada or Canadians... we forgive you for that.... but the trolling really is getting tedious... your goal has been accomplished... congratulations. Not trolling....when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Coming to a "Canadian Forum" to get more informed about "Canada or Canadians" only to be offered up unrelenting, regurgitated references and comparisons to the United States is tedious. The topic is PM Harper and Syrian refugees, not the policy in a foreign country. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Hypocrite.... every one of your posts is about Canada.... he put up this following post just a short while back in this very thread... just another of the brazillion like posts you speak of: Sure...attacking Americans and U.S. policies is deeply embedded in Canadian DNA...especially come election time, but always for defining a Canadian identity. The U.S. has been engaged with Syria for decades...Canada... not so much. just further examples of what he suggests represents a, "useful microcosm for the CanAm relationship at many levels."... where he has openly asserted that his intent is to reinforce that, "Canadian's define their identity by/with everything that is American". You are purposely being tedious? Seems like trolling to me. It's OK that you don't understand Canada or Canadians... we forgive you for that.... but the trolling really is getting tedious... your goal has been accomplished... congratulations. like trolling you say? Apparently not to this boards moderator! Even though the guy has openly declared his intent with these posts... even though the guy plays this routine out incessantly... even though the moderator claims "purposely distracting/derailing threads is trolling"... apparently the guy's post are not distracting, ergo... they can't be trolling! . . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Not trolling....when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Coming to a "Canadian Forum" to get more informed about "Canada or Canadians" only to be offered up unrelenting, regurgitated references and comparisons to the United States is tedious. The topic is PM Harper and Syrian refugees, not the policy in a foreign country. "Not trolling"? Hillarious. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Not trolling....when in Rome, do as the Romans do. Coming to a "Canadian Forum" to get more informed about "Canada or Canadians" only to be offered up unrelenting, regurgitated references and comparisons to the United States is tedious. The topic is PM Harper and Syrian refugees, not the policy in a foreign country. We get that you don't understand how these things are tied into each other... I think some people mentioned Germany in this thread as well... strange, huh? Germany? When we are supposed to be talking about Syria and Canada??? We forgive you for not being able to see past your own borders and not understanding how Canadians can see the world in a broader context... Quote
waldo Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 "Not trolling"? Hillarious. please sir... report and ignore! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 ....We forgive you for not being able to see past your own borders and not understanding how Canadians can see the world in a broader context... So this is how Canadians formulate policy on such matters (humanitarian refugees)...by waiting and watching to see what other nations do ? Is there no protocol or existing policy in place ? How does President Obama inform and influence the refugee decisions of a Canada that has so much disdain for "American style" anything ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
The_Squid Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 So this is how Canadians formulate policy on such matters (humanitarian refugees)...by waiting and watching to see what other nations do ? Is there no protocol or existing policy in place ? How does President Obama inform and influence the refugee decisions of a Canada that has so much disdain for "American style" anything ? Great questions.... you'll see many Canadians on this forum who disagree about how Canada formulates policy on all sorts of things. Canadians understand that not everything the current government of Canada does is a good thing. Jingoism is, thankfully, much less prevalent than in some other countries. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 So this is how Canadians formulate policy on such matters (humanitarian refugees)...by waiting and watching to see what other nations do ? Is there no protocol or existing policy in place ? How does President Obama inform and influence the refugee decisions of a Canada that has so much disdain for "American style" anything ?He doesn't. But you don't seem to get that in spite of all your supposed knowledge of all things Canada. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 ....Canadians understand that not everything the current government of Canada does is a good thing. Jingoism is, thankfully, much less prevalent than in some other countries. Oh...so it makes even more sense to make those "jingoistic" nations the benchmark for refugee policies. I think I am figuring this Canadian thing out. Never lead...always follow ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 16, 2015 Report Posted October 16, 2015 Oh...so it makes even more sense to make those "jingoistic" nations the benchmark for refugee policies. I think I am figuring this Canadian thing out. Never lead...always follow ! Which jingoistic nation might you be talking about? Quote
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