blueblood Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Typical rightist crap-I'm rich and don't want to pay my fair share. Yup curse those rightists spending money, investing in businesses which provide jobs, providing jobs, and saving in banks which helps fund people who need a loan. But they need to do more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Yup curse those rightists spending money, investing in businesses which provide jobs, providing jobs, and saving in banks which helps fund people who need a loan. But they need to do more! So you think only rightists spend money? Lot's of people from all over the political spectrum start, or invest in, businesses. Rightists tend to avail themselves of tax breaks and take the money offshore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueblood Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 So you think only rightists spend money? Lot's of people from all over the political spectrum start, or invest in, businesses. Rightists tend to avail themselves of tax breaks and take the money offshore. And yet it still benefits people. Jeez you people think centre right people stuff their money in a mattress and guard it with a shotgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poochy Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 No...Harper's BS. Enjoy your little check untill April. yep, screams and anger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 That depends on how much money you make. The less you make, the more you keep, making it a nicely progressive program. You should be thrilled. That would require that he understand how progressive taxation works, which, given his answer when asked how much tax poor people pay was "I don't know" he doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Of course its the author who should be ashamed. The NDP will scrap income splitting which is even more regressive. You have so clearly demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of progressive taxation and programs that you really should stop even trying to speak on topics addressing them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 You have so clearly demonstrated your complete lack of understanding of progressive taxation and programs that you really should stop even trying to speak on topics addressing them. Seems you have a little trouble with the word regressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Seems you have a little trouble with the word regressive. My problem is with people whose ideology is so stultifying that they feel the need to take nonsensical positions on issues just to attack the other side. You have attacked this because it will be clawed back by taxes for higher income earners, and at the same time for not being progressive. You're sputtering out of both sides of your mouth at once and looking idiotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 My problem is with people whose ideology is so stultifying that they feel the need to take nonsensical positions on issues just to attack the other side. You have attacked this because it will be clawed back by taxes for higher income earners, and at the same time for not being progressive. You're sputtering out of both sides of your mouth at once and looking idiotic. Regressive taxes pose an inverse relationship of burden relative to ability to pay. As to the last part of your post, I'll leave that part up to you as ur much better at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) Regressive taxes pose an inverse relationship of burden relative to ability to pay. As to the last part of your post, I'll leave that part up to you as ur much better at it. Now you're talking about regressive taxes! Why? We don't have such in Canada and no one is suggesting we should! Do you even know what the hell you're talking about? Edited July 31, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Now you're talking about regressive taxes! Why? We don't have such in Canada and no one is suggesting we should! Do you even know what the hell you're talking about? I do, and we do, it's called income splitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 I do, and we do, it's called income splitting. The purpose of income splitting, which is also limited by income, in case you didn't know, was to help to equalize the taxation of families where one parent worked, with those where two parents worked. My new neighbour is an Arab guy who works two jobs and whose wife doesn't work. It will help him a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 The purpose of income splitting, which is also limited by income, in case you didn't know, was to help to equalize the taxation of families where one parent worked, with those where two parents worked. My new neighbour is an Arab guy who works two jobs and whose wife doesn't work. It will help him a lot. It helps the wealthy much more than the poor. That makes it regressive, in case you didn't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 It helps the wealthy much more than the poor. That makes it regressive, in case you didn't know. That's because poor people don't pay taxes...because of the progressive tax system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 That's because poor people don't pay taxes...because of the progressive tax system. Lower income, single parents often do pay taxes. They get no help from this regressive tax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Lower income, single parents often do pay taxes. When all government refunds and payments are taken into account, they pay no taxes at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 When all government refunds and payments are taken into account, they pay no taxes at all. That's a totally absurd, generalized statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 Money that goes straight into the economy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 That's a totally absurd, generalized statement. It's not totally absurd at all. GST/HST refunds, child tax benefit payments, UCCB payments, social assistance/GIS payments, tax credits aimed at the working poor, etc, etc, etc, medical coverage for those on social assistance/and or catastrophic drug coverage, depending on the province. You have to make a rather large amount of money before you pay tax, especially if you have kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 It helps the wealthy much more than the poor. That makes it regressive, in case you didn't know. That is an absurd argument. ANY tax easement or cut will help the wealthy more than the poor simply because the poor don't pay taxes! But in this case, the help to the 'wealthy' is extremely limited since this modified form of income splitting only allows for splitting up to $50,000. I don't know about you, but I don't consider $50k as wealth. Maybe if the limit was $500,000 you'd have an argument, but as it stands, you're naked in the wind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 (edited) That's a totally absurd, generalized statement. It's absolutely true. The bottom one third of wage earners don't even pay income taxes. Instead they get tax refunds, GST refunds, etc. I, meanwhile, pay more than 50% on my income. Edited July 31, 2015 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 That is an absurd argument. ANY tax easement or cut will help the wealthy more than the poor simply because the poor don't pay taxes! But in this case, the help to the 'wealthy' is extremely limited since this modified form of income splitting only allows for splitting up to $50,000. I don't know about you, but I don't consider $50k as wealth. Maybe if the limit was $500,000 you'd have an argument, but as it stands, you're naked in the wind. It benefits 15% of the population...regressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 It benefits 15% of the population...regressive. So you're actually not interested in any of the details or the logic or the reality, but just want to shout "REGRESSIVE" as if that's an argument? Okay. Wasting my time with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On Guard for Thee Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 So you're actually not interested in any of the details or the logic or the reality, but just want to shout "REGRESSIVE" as if that's an argument? Okay. Wasting my time with you. Only when it applies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Topaz Posted July 31, 2015 Report Share Posted July 31, 2015 The Tories scheme of of getting votes through money to parent is finally being open to just that , a scheme for votes because many parents are awakening to the fact, they won't be keeping much of that money when tax time comes around and many are peeved off at the Tories. http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/universal-child-care-benefit-ads-misleading-families-say-critics-1.3172927 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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