On Guard for Thee Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 Right back at ya. I bet you can't even name these policies. I don't suppose you'd believe that Chretien's government did all that and more, right? Cheated on elections? How? One MP overspent his own money. I guess that's earth shattering compared to the Chretien government awarding phoney contracts to advertising agencies in return for free work for the party during elections, right? Silenced public officials, eh? I suppose you've never heard of the president of the Business Development Bank of Canada, who Chretien not only fired when he dared to try and call in a loan to one of Chretien's criminal croneys, but then sicked the RCMP on and tried very hard to have arrested. But that's not important, right? Centralized power in the PMO? Were you born yesterday? Because that is a process which has been well underway since Pierre Trudeau, who famously called MPs nobodies. It's like you self-righteous lefties were born when Harper was elected, and are completely ignorant about every other government which has gone before. You do seem to reach way back in history to flailingly try to make some sort of "point". Perhaps if you stayed a bit more current people might take you seriously. Quote
poochy Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 You do seem to reach way back in history to flailingly try to make some sort of "point". Perhaps if you stayed a bit more current people might take you seriously. You are such a pathetically dishonest debater. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) You are such a pathetically dishonest debater. And you're funny. Edited August 2, 2015 by On Guard for Thee Quote
ReeferMadness Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 Wanna see Conservative MP's in action? Check out this video. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 Right back at ya. I bet you can't even name these policies. I don't suppose you'd believe that Chretien's government did all that and more, right? Cheated on elections? How? One MP overspent his own money. I guess that's earth shattering compared to the Chretien government awarding phoney contracts to advertising agencies in return for free work for the party during elections, right? Silenced public officials, eh? I suppose you've never heard of the president of the Business Development Bank of Canada, who Chretien not only fired when he dared to try and call in a loan to one of Chretien's criminal croneys, but then sicked the RCMP on and tried very hard to have arrested. But that's not important, right? Centralized power in the PMO? Were you born yesterday? Because that is a process which has been well underway since Pierre Trudeau, who famously called MPs nobodies. It's like you self-righteous lefties were born when Harper was elected, and are completely ignorant about every other government which has gone before. I rest my case. It doesn't matter how sleezy, how underhanded, how corrupt, how crooked this bunch are. You'll vote for them anyway. You probably even buy the line that the UCCB is putting money in people's pockets. Did you know that the money that is being distributed right before the election is mostly being clawed back at tax time through the cancellation of the child tax credit? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 Did you know that the money that is being distributed right before the election is mostly being clawed back at tax time through the cancellation of the child tax credit? I'll ask you the same question as I've asked many times. How much tax do poor people pay? None - so, they'll keep all of it, and higher wage earners will keep some of it. Everyone ends up with less money, except for the government. I'm find with that. Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 Right back at ya. No, mine is coldly logical. It costs a lot more to administer a program with means testing than it does to simply give it to everyone and then tax it back in the normal course from those with lots of money. Yours is... I dunno what it is but it sure isn't based on anything sensible. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 You do seem to reach way back in history to flailingly try to make some sort of "point". The point was the stunning ignorance and self serving hypocrisy of Lefties who scream and rant at what Harper is doing as if its unique, as if their own party didn't do just as much if not worse. Perhaps if you stayed a bit more current people might take you seriously. You think anyone takes YOU seriously? LOL Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 I rest my case. It doesn't matter how sleezy, how underhanded, how corrupt, how crooked this bunch are. You'll vote for them anyway. You probably even buy the line that the UCCB is putting money in people's pockets. Did you know that the money that is being distributed right before the election is mostly being clawed back at tax time through the cancellation of the child tax credit? I hate it when people purport to reply to me while completely ignoring everything I've written. If you don't have the manners or the ability to respond to what I wrote then don't include my name in the reply. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 (edited) You are such a pathetically dishonest debater. You won't see any logic or policy discussion from him, just snotty sniping and insults. Edited August 2, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 The point was the stunning ignorance and self serving hypocrisy of Lefties who scream and rant at what Harper is doing as if its unique, as if their own party didn't do just as much if not worse. You think anyone takes YOU seriously? LOL I see, so your argument is basically "your party is as bad as my party, so there". And you want to be take seriously? Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 I see, so your argument is basically "your party is as bad as my party, so there". And you want to be take seriously? My point was your party was infinitely worse than mine, and yet, those horrible things you complain about now never bothered ou then. You don't hate the Tories for anything they're doing. You just hate Tories. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
On Guard for Thee Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 My point was your party was infinitely worse than mine, and yet, those horrible things you complain about now never bothered ou then. You don't hate the Tories for anything they're doing. You just hate Tories. You don't even know which party I support, so another gaffe. However I don't think it's any secret I don't like what Harper has done so you know who I wont be voting for. Quote
Argus Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 You don't even know which party I support, so another gaffe. However I don't think it's any secret I don't like what Harper has done so you know who I wont be voting for. And it's no secret that you'll ignore the same stuff being done by your party. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Keepitsimple Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 You don't even know which party I support, so another gaffe. However I don't think it's any secret I don't like what Harper has done so you know who I wont be voting for. Why don't you enlighten us? Several posters - including me - have said we've voted Liberal in the past but with the playing field as it is, we're stuck on Conservatives. I know it's more than just me that was very disappointed that Marc Garneau was not elected leader - to give everyone a viable alternative to Stephen Harper. Tom Mulcair and the NDP are not everyone's cup of tea but I can understand the attraction by a considerable slice of the population. Given all that, why are you so afraid to just say where you stand right now - and where you've stood in the past. Add some substance to your profile so we're not monotonously replying to a one-trick anti-Harper pony. Have you ever voted Conservative? Quote Back to Basics
Big Guy Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 Harper has submitted his Instrument of Advice and the GG has signed it. This means that a campaign has just begun. I suggest that when a Canadian declares this early for which party they intend to vote then that tells a lot about the individual and very little about the party. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted August 2, 2015 Report Posted August 2, 2015 Why don't you enlighten us? Several posters - including me - have said we've voted Liberal in the past but with the playing field as it is, we're stuck on Conservatives. I know it's more than just me that was very disappointed that Marc Garneau was not elected leader - to give everyone a viable alternative to Stephen Harper. Tom Mulcair and the NDP are not everyone's cup of tea but I can understand the attraction by a considerable slice of the population. Given all that, why are you so afraid to just say where you stand right now - and where you've stood in the past. Add some substance to your profile so we're not monotonously replying to a one-trick anti-Harper pony. Have you ever voted Conservative? I haven't totally made up my mind just yet, I have an MP in my riding who has been around for some years and I believe has done good work IMO, so I wont rule out a vote for him, and he happens to be NDP. However, I want to hear a bit more about platforms and see how this campaign unfolds, including the debates. I certainly don't see anybody coming out of this with a majority so I suspect what we will see is an informal cooperation between the LPC and the NDP. so eve if Harper manages to eke out a slim minority, he won't be able to rubber stamp a bunch more junk that the SCC has to throw out. Or if he tries he's gone. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 I'll ask you the same question as I've asked many times. How much tax do poor people pay? None - so, they'll keep all of it, and higher wage earners will keep some of it. Everyone ends up with less money, except for the government. I'm find with that. So, you think it's OK for the government to be dishonest with the people by pretending to to hand out a bunch of money while knowing it will mostly be clawed back in 10 months time. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 I hate it when people purport to reply to me while completely ignoring everything I've written. If you don't have the manners or the ability to respond to what I wrote then don't include my name in the reply. You mean the way you ignored the lengthy list of Conservative scandals and started talking about Liberal issues from 40 years ago? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 So, you think it's OK for the government to be dishonest with the people by pretending to to hand out a bunch of money while knowing it will mostly be clawed back in 10 months time. As has been pointed out in another thread, CPC supporters tend to be less educated. Perhaps that is why they can be so easily sucked in to such facades. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 Harper has submitted his Instrument of Advice and the GG has signed it. This means that a campaign has just begun. I suggest that when a Canadian declares this early for which party they intend to vote then that tells a lot about the individual and very little about the party. Huh. Or maybe people have pretty much figured out by now what the parties are about and recognize that the campaign is mostly empty theatre. And Conservative attack ads. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
ReeferMadness Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 As has been pointed out in another thread, CPC supporters tend to be less educated. Perhaps that is why they can be so easily sucked in to such facades. Maybe. As citizens become less engaged and knowledgeable, democracy becomes less relevant. The real enemy of freedom isn't tyranny, it's apathy. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Smallc Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 So, you think it's OK for the government to be dishonest with the people by pretending to to hand out a bunch of money while knowing it will mostly be clawed back in 10 months time. Everyone but the government ends up with more money. Those with less to begin with end up with the most. There's nothing wrong with it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 Everyone but the government ends up with more money. Those with less to begin with end up with the most. There's nothing wrong with it. What's wrong with it for starters is, everybody doesn't need more money from such a hocus pocus program. It's just a blatant vote buy, but Harper must have reckoned a lot of his base wouldn't actually "get it". Apparently he has been successful in at least one case. Quote
Bryan Posted August 3, 2015 Report Posted August 3, 2015 What's wrong with it for starters is, everybody doesn't need more money from such a hocus pocus program. It's just a blatant vote buy, but Harper must have reckoned a lot of his base wouldn't actually "get it". Apparently he has been successful in at least one case. His base does get it, and they like it. People vote for Harper because he does things like this, it's what they want him to do. Quote
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