Shady Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 People do it all the time, not a problem. Just don't take money from a foreign country to try to help them overthrow the government, and you'll be fine. We don't let people do that here either.The Cuban regime love useful idiots.Cuban dissidents arrested before free-speech demonstration in Havana http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/30/cuban-dissidents-arrested-yoani-sanchez-demonstration Quote
Shady Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 Cuban artist Tania Bruguera had a plan to test just how tolerant Cuba had become of dissident voices. She planned a performance at Havana's Revolution Square for Tuesday afternoon. She would provide a microphone and Cubans were encouraged to speak about their vision for the island. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/12/31/374158250/cuban-authorities-detain-artist-dissidents-thwarting-performance Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 Go visit Cuba and speak out against the government. Pass around some newsletters too. I'll see if I can get a lawyer to get you out of prison! Lol. Stop trolling dude. You're acting like a crazy person. Speaking of crazy, whats your idea...another 50 years of same old same old. Things wont right themselves overnight, but good on Obama for having moving i the only sensible direction on this way overdue issue. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Posted July 3, 2015 Speaking of crazy, whats your idea...another 50 years of same old same old. Things wont right themselves overnight, but good on Obama for having moving i the only sensible direction on this way overdue issue. They have to start somewhere in opening lines of communication. The embassies will only add to the mix. I can't see how anyone would think this is a bad move. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Posted July 3, 2015 Interesting that in another thread there was discussion of what would be the "legacy" of Obama. Might the opening of Cuban/USA relations be one of them? I did include this achievement in the other thread although it was added later. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 They have to start somewhere in opening lines of communication. The embassies will only add to the mix. I can't see how anyone would think this is a bad move. Well it seems some people assume everything is a bad move if it comes from somewhere outside of their political slant. I bet you this move will become a win win, in very short order. Tourists will be flocking. I remember bringing a box of Cohiba cigars for a friend of mine and American paranoia required me to clear customs even though it was only a 2 hour stopover in Miami. I was damn near arrested. Quote
Bryan Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 The Cuban regime love useful idiots. Cuban dissidents arrested before free-speech demonstration in Havana http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/30/cuban-dissidents-arrested-yoani-sanchez-demonstration Exactly what I'm talking about. If you know anything about Sanchez and her group, you know that they have been continuously taking US money to try to destabilize Cuba. Despite that, Cuba has still let her leave the country and return as much as she wants, have done nothing to shut down her dissident blog, nor have the confiscated the proceeds of her ill gotten gains. If anything Cuba is being far more patient with her than we would ever be if someone was doing the same thing in Canada or the US. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted July 3, 2015 Author Report Posted July 3, 2015 Exactly what I'm talking about. If you know anything about Sanchez and her group, you know that they have been continuously taking US money to try to destabilize Cuba. Despite that, Cuba has still let her leave the country and return as much as she wants, have done nothing to shut down her dissident blog, nor have the confiscated the proceeds of her ill gotten gains. If anything Cuba is being far more patient with her than we would ever be if someone was doing the same thing in Canada or the US. Oh yes. Now I know who she is. I have seen her being interviewed. She has indeed been allowed to travel freely in and out of Cuba. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
DiazJenkins Posted July 21, 2015 Report Posted July 21, 2015 Congratulations, Great step taken by Cuba. Quote
Big Guy Posted July 21, 2015 Report Posted July 21, 2015 Add another success to the Obama legacy. Getting out of Iraq, getting out of Afghanistan, establishing communications with Iran, establishing co-operation with Cuba, health care for all Americans. It will be interesting to see how the historians will see the Obama administration in 30 years. This Cuban thing is good for Americans but will it not be negative for Canada? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 21, 2015 Report Posted July 21, 2015 Add another success to the Obama legacy. Getting out of Iraq, getting out of Afghanistan, establishing communications with Iran, establishing co-operation with Cuba, health care for all Americans. It will be interesting to see how the historians will see the Obama administration in 30 years. This Cuban thing is good for Americans but will it not be negative for Canada? It will be negative for Canada in that Canadians have been enjoying Cuba as a relatively close, reasonably priced tourist destination for years. Soon the beaches will be swarmed and the prices will head north. Quote
Rue Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Someone trying to explain to Bug Guy that the US is still in Afghanistan and Iraq. Someone explain to him the US has been in fact drawn in even further into the ME mess because of his failed policies of financing ISIL. Someone explain to him there is no actual direct communication between the US and Iran formally and that communications at this time are done with intermediaries and remains strained and problematic. I won't travel to his reality. My days of dropping acid and doing magic mushroom are over man. I drink soda water with a twist of coconut water and rum and lime. No hard stuff for moi. God bless Obama. Edited July 22, 2015 by Rue Quote
Rue Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) Cuba very much has lived in a cacoon since it threw the US out. It slowly reintroduced foreign investment in its tourist industry through government control. Countries like Spain, Italy, and Canada have had no problems investing in hotels in Cuba under this kind of government control. American investors however are not the same. They don't like to be told what to do and their method of investment begins with bribes to control the government and keep it from interfering. I do not think Cuba is immune to bribery and if its government succumbs to it we could see rapid expansion turning what is now relatively undeveloped beaches into strips of time share multi-story eye sore. I detest multi-story architecture. I agree strongly with the Cuban approach to keeping its hotels limited to tree top and blended in to th etrees nd beach environment. I also detest aggressive time share investment. I think its unethical and creates eye sores and blight. I would love to see orderly investment. I do not think it will happen. I fear a huge invasion of corrupting capital that will not make its way to the average Cuban and create huge division between the elite and masses. Does that make me a communist anti American. No. I think there are very good Americans who would be ethical and not greedy. I just worry that organized crime syndicates and greedy sob's are going to invade Cuba like rats and spread a disease that I do not think Cubans are ready for. I do not mean to sound patronizing of Cubans either. Its just you have a sheltered society suddenly exposed to greedy capitalism, nothing good happens. I hope the Cubans can find a way to regulate and balance sudden investment. I believe Cuba will turn into another Mexico or Dominican Republic. Thanks but no thanks. We tend to measure success in terms of owning a t.v., a car, material things. A lot of Cubans do not. They measure their wealth in other ways such as their music and sports. I think Obama has no clue what Cuba is and is just trying to build a legacy before he leaves. Edited July 22, 2015 by Rue Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 22, 2015 Report Posted July 22, 2015 (edited) ...Does that make me a communist anti American. No. I think there are very good Americans who would be ethical and not greedy. I just worry that organized crime syndicates and greedy sob's are going to invade Cuba like rats and spread a disease that I do not think Cubans are ready for. I think Cuba should have every opportunity and access to American capital investment, including the organized crime and greed that Canada has taken advantage of for so long. Hell, move some auto plants from bankrupt Ontario to Cuba ! Edited July 22, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted August 14, 2015 Report Posted August 14, 2015 It is a done deal. http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/08/flag-raised-embassy-cuba-150814005132902.html It will be interesting how history will look at this latest Obama attempt to mend fences. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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