bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 It's pretty sad when Canadians worry so much about a foreign president at a news conference when their own PM says/leads on nothing. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 I would have to agree with that. And I bet Obama can sing a lot better than Harper. Quote
WIP Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 It's pretty sad when Canadians worry so much about a foreign president at a news conference when their own PM says/leads on nothing. Our PM takes orders from Washington, so if we want to go to the source we don't find it in Ottawa! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 16, 2015 Report Posted July 16, 2015 Our PM takes orders from Washington, so if we want to go to the source we don't find it in Ottawa! Either way...it is very pathetic that you can't find such things in Canada, deferring to a foreign leader and one of many press conferences. In Canada speak...sad. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WIP Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 Either way...it is very pathetic that you can't find such things in Canada, deferring to a foreign leader and one of many press conferences. In Canada speak...sad. No, what's pathetic is that you've spent years here trolling a Canadian forum without grasping the fact that few Canadians are nationalistic or give a shit about criticism from American "patriots!" As much as everyone who wasn't a Liberal despised Pierre Trudeau, he was the last true Canadian nationalist leader of this Country who was trying to carve out a Canadian identity and more importantly - an independent political and economic path for Canada. Ever since Mulroo got the job and started singing Irish ditties with Ronnie Raygun, we've fast-tracked our way into a death spiral of trade agreements and treaties that tie us closer and closer to the American economy and to American politics as well! Does current Con PM Harper have any major policy disagreements with Washington? Actually, even if he did, there wouldn't be anything he could do about it now. So, all of your trolling for imaginary irate Canadian nationalists is laughable! Because most Canadians already know we have no real independence on anything anymore. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 17, 2015 Report Posted July 17, 2015 (edited) No, what's pathetic is that you've spent years here trolling a Canadian forum without grasping the fact that few Canadians are nationalistic or give a shit about criticism from American "patriots!" Is that because some of them spend a lifetime "trolling" U.S. culture, politics, and economics ? Another president will come and go...and he or she will have press conferences. Be sure to tune in and escape from your domestic irrelevance. So, all of your trolling for imaginary irate Canadian nationalists is laughable! Because most Canadians already know we have no real independence on anything anymore. I don't think you speak for all Canadians, but perhaps you wish you did. Now go back to watching everything...'Murican. Edited July 17, 2015 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Rue Posted July 18, 2015 Report Posted July 18, 2015 Totally agree with WIP on Obama. Well said WIP. As for our so called independence WIP, you are a realist. Nuff said. Quote
Boges Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 (edited) I'm sure if Harper sang Amazing Grace he'd be lampooned for not separating Church and State. Edited July 20, 2015 by Boges Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 Do you actually think Harper does separate church and state? You do know he is a long standing member of an evangelical church and of course you will have heard of the Office of Religious Freedom he created Quote
Boges Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 Do you actually think Harper does separate church and state? You do know he is a long standing member of an evangelical church and of course you will have heard of the Office of Religious Freedom he created So what are some of the laws Harper created to blur the lines between Church and State? The Harper Hate is soooo strong with you. I wouldn't be shocked if you still believe Harper wants Abortion banned in Canada. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 So what are some of the laws Harper created to blur the lines between Church and State? The Harper Hate is soooo strong with you. I wouldn't be shocked if you still believe Harper wants Abortion banned in Canada. Harper's church certainly believes it should be banned, he is just scared to re open the debate. Although I think he toyed with the issue by getting a backbencher to suggest a discussion on the criminal codes' definition of when a person, becomes a person. Quote
Boges Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 Harper's church certainly believes it should be banned, he is just scared to re open the debate. Although I think he toyed with the issue by getting a backbencher to suggest a discussion on the criminal codes' definition of when a person, becomes a person. So you're judging people by the church they attend now? Does that work with Muslims too? Remember JT attending the chuch that preaches Wahhabism. Were you one of the people that were offended by Obama's history with Jeremiah Wright? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 So you're judging people by the church they attend now? Does that work with Muslims too? Remember JT attending the chuch that preaches Wahhabism. Were you one of the people that were offended by Obama's history with Jeremiah Wright? I remember the likes of Sun News frothing at the mouth over a one time visit to a mosque. Quote
Boges Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 I remember the likes of Sun News frothing at the mouth over a one time visit to a mosque. So you think that type of Islam is something a Political leader should support but whatever Church Harper went to in the 90's is reason for concern even though Harper has purposely tried to clamp down on the Social Conservative elements of his party? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 So you think that type of Islam is something a Political leader should support but whatever Church Harper went to in the 90's is reason for concern even though Harper has purposely tried to clamp down on the Social Conservative elements of his party? One visit to a particular mosque hardly means support for Islam, unless you are a Sun News type I guess. Harper has been a supporter of the CAMA form of dominionism for 3 decades. Quote
Boges Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 One visit to a particular mosque hardly means support for Islam, unless you are a Sun News type I guess. Harper has been a supporter of the CAMA form of dominionism for 3 decades. Yet you still are having trouble finding how his affiliation with that religious group is effecting the legislation he proposes. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 Yet you still are having trouble finding how his affiliation with that religious group is effecting the legislation he proposes. His religion disdains science and environmentalism. Look at all the government scientists he has either fired or muzzled. Quote
Boges Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 His religion disdains science and environmentalism. Look at all the government scientists he has either fired or muzzled. Well now you're drawing conclusions that may or may not exists, without cites. I don't recall hearing Harper say that we don't have to be good stewards of the environment because God is control of everything. But if you want to use it as evidence. . . SURE! Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 Well now you're drawing conclusions that may or may not exists, without cites. I don't recall hearing Harper say that we don't have to be good stewards of the environment because God is control of everything. But if you want to use it as evidence. . . SURE! I think cites have bee posted a number of times but maybe you missed/ignored them...so once more. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/research-cutbacks-by-government-alarm-scientists-1.2490081 Harper would rather channel government funding to faith based organizations. Quote
WIP Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 I'm sure if Harper sang Amazing Grace he'd be lampooned for not separating Church and State. I think it was enough of a sacrilege that he was singing Ringo Starr's song in public! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Boges Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 I think cites have bee posted a number of times but maybe you missed/ignored them...so once more. http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/research-cutbacks-by-government-alarm-scientists-1.2490081 Harper would rather channel government funding to faith based organizations. Does that article talk about religion or economics? Quote
WIP Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 So what are some of the laws Harper created to blur the lines between Church and State? The Harper Hate is soooo strong with you. I wouldn't be shocked if you still believe Harper wants Abortion banned in Canada. He likely does, but he's also aware of how the yahoos have taken over the Republican Party south of the border, and doesn't want to overfeed them. The establishment right would rather have the issue than arrive at the religious right solution of banning abortion and birth control. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Boges Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 He likely does, but he's also aware of how the yahoos have taken over the Republican Party south of the border, and doesn't want to overfeed them. The establishment right would rather have the issue than arrive at the religious right solution of banning abortion and birth control. Bingo. Again this is thread shift, and I guess it's my fault. My point is that people are more than happy to applaud display of religiousness in politicians they support. Quote
WIP Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 Were you one of the people that were offended by Obama's history with Jeremiah Wright? I was! Because anyone who delved into the Jeremiah Wright affair below the surface, realized that Barack hardly knew anything about Rev. Wright or shared his beliefs....I agree with the theory that Obama is and has always been a secret atheist since college, but understood that success in US politics means claiming to be a Christian. Obama's handling of the revelation of Wright's most notable speech (included "God damn America!) by Faux News was masterful in the sense of political strategy, but it revealed a soulless opportunism by not directly attacking Wright and alienating his base/ but distancing himself from Wright and his message by being patronizing and condescending towards him and African American history. Wright's main point in the speech "Confusing God and Government" where the phrase was taken and given endless airplay, was that America does not function as a democratic republic at home or abroad, but as an empire. Needless to say, Faux News-viewers do not hear about how their government uses its military and threats of military force to leverage regime changes and favourable trade and banking terms. Nor do they hear how (at least until very recently) how their government uses force at home to maintain a phony war on drugs and keep certain communities marginalized and lessen the demands for higher wages and improved working conditions among the larger white community. * Obama's message to the average white voter as Senate candidate and then candidate for President, was that racial divisions and concerns about race issues can be safely written off as the past...if you vote for a black president! For most of his career as president, he's ignored these issues, while currying favour among the rich and powerful. But now that he's in "legacy-building" mode, he mentions words like 'poverty' for the first time, and visits prisons....after 7 years of doing nothing about the thousands who have been incarcerated in maximum security institutions for drug offenses and non-violent crimes since he took office! My great irritation with American political pageantry, is that the framing is so narrow....barely nudging from a corporate-friendly middle ground...that it's the rabid rightwingers and their thinly veiled racist slogans are the main reason why black and other poor communities have felt the need to stay loyal to a leader most realize has done almost nothing for them! *several Neoliberal intellectuals by the early 70's noticed that the growing middle class became even more demanding in the 60's, even as they achieved greater prosperity. Lesson being: always keep a sizable underclass to prevent the middle class from making too many demands and lessening the economic power of owners of capital. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 20, 2015 Report Posted July 20, 2015 ....My great irritation with American political pageantry, is that the framing is so narrow....barely nudging from a corporate-friendly middle ground...that it's the rabid rightwingers and their thinly veiled racist slogans are the main reason why black and other poor communities have felt the need to stay loyal to a leader most realize has done almost nothing for them! That's how it is designed...caring not in the least about any such irritation. It is very naive to think that "black and other poor communities" are/were going to abandon Obama and his party to vote for something else that would be equally disinterested in their plight. The POTUS has a lot more to worry about than just poor people. BTW, the progressive "leftwingers" were also "irritated" with President Obama. Too bad.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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