We don't have to abandon our beliefs just because

Black Dog · November 10, 2004

Isn't it interesting how it used to be the "religious right" that was branded as intolerant, rightly or wrongly. Now we have a new leader in intolerance. The secularist, and closed minded, left.

Sorry, but that dog doesn't bark. My personal opinions of religion are one thing: however, I'm not advocating for any legislation to prevent people from holding those beliefs or practicing them. It's the religious right that's trying to use the law to withold people's rights. Conservatives, it seems, hate freedom.

I miss Reagan · November 10, 2004

I'm not advocating for any legislation to prevent people from holding those beliefs or practicing them.

... just the outright propegation of anti-Christian and anti/semetic hate speech. lol

Black Dog · November 10, 2004

I'm not advocating for any legislation to prevent people from holding those beliefs or practicing them.

... just the outright propegation of anti-Christian and anti/semetic hate speech. lol

Hmm. No examples. No citations. You are, as usual, full of crap.

This is another great example of how conservatives are not only devoid of principles, but they are also divorced from reality.

I miss Reagan · November 10, 2004

Examples, one need not go further than to read the numerous anti-Christian posts by you and MS.

Question. Why do you insist on firing of the ad hominem insults at me. As you can see I'm quite patient. I know if I had treated you in kind you'd have been off to tattle to the moderator. Please show some emotional self control Black Dog.

maplesyrup · November 10, 2004

Isn't it interesting how it used to be the "religious right" that was branded as intolerant, rightly or wrongly. Now we have a new leader in intolerance. The secularist, and closed minded, left.

Where you come off with spilling that kind of tripe is beyond me - it must part of your religious belief system. Tolerant indeed.

As has already been stated social democrats mind their own business, but social conservatives can't seem to do that. What's their problem, eh? :rolleyes:

I miss Reagan · November 11, 2004

As has already been stated social democrats mind their own business, but social conservatives can't seem to do that.

Oddly this comes from someone who is a proponent of taking away guns from farmers, feels entitled to the life earned wages of those who have saved, supports jailing farmers who sell their own wheat, and wants to change the definition of a religious institution. Indeed, maybe we all should mind our own business.

maplesyrup · November 11, 2004

I highly doubt that this would be the approach that Jesus would advocate, but that another story, isn't it!

ticker · November 11, 2004

The US gets criticized for being outspoken but at least they stand up for their beliefs instead of being mowed over in the name of political correctness like bunch of ostridges afraid to challenge the liberal elite system.

Oh give me a break. The Southern segregationists in the '60s "stood up for their beliefs" in the face of what was seen as an attack on traditional values. They were the wrong beliefs to defend, just as the traditional values of exclusion and division are wrong today.

t is just an unbalanced political system with ontario/quebec calling the shots while the US is more balanced. Quebec has a differerent view on how to run the country with the lefties and Ontario has been watered down but prepared to go along as long as they still get to control the political agenda.

How can a poltical system with a mere two parties of questionable distiction be considered balanced? Especially when that system has built in checks to limit the power of the people?

The bottom line is have provinces are generally conservatives and the have nots lean toward the NDP/liberals. Ontario has been remolded by trudeau with loading the GTA with immigrants that will vote liberal no matter what the policy. The western have not provinces are getting tired of the Ontario/Quebec liberal regime and prepared to vote in more conservatives.

Which doesn't explain why fewer westerners voted Conservative in the last election than in the prior one.

We are still waiting to hear how Adam & Steve plan to create a child by themselves.

Marriage is based on Adam & Eve not Adam & Steve the US will end up with a more reasonable compromise like the benefits and eventually civil union but unless science has figured out how to create a baby without using a man and a woman it will always be Adam and Eve even though some would like to rewrite history

There is more then 2% of the population in the US that is black. To equate changing laws to please 2% with a different live style as the equivalent to keeping the black population in slavery lol..

The US is a more balanced system with two parties Canada could have 10 parties but it doesn't make a difference if it is always the liberals that will be in power because of the ontario/quebec connection. You don't have a system where California & NY tell the rest of the country who will be in power and the tone of policies. Each state has equal elected senate to protect the small states from the federal government imposing bad polices on them for the benefit of buying votes in the big population states (something that would of been nice to prevent PET from ramming through policies like his NEP)

Other then left leaning Vancouver the conservatives had a good showing in BC, the usual 2 seats in Edmonton the union area of Alberta, Sask switching from NDP to 13 of 13 PC, Manitoba majority PC

A couple libs in Vancouver, 2 in Edmonton, 3 in Manitoba that sounds like more liberals elected.

There is something in the saltwater that brings out the liberals look at the election map of the US with the democrats along the east coast & then on the west coast you have got LA San franscisco followed by Canada with Vancouver then left leaning Quebec. All the places where svends friends hang out.

maplesyrup · November 11, 2004

No one is telling you what you should do or shouldn't do, so why can you not leave other people alone to do what they wish with their life. Who has appointed you God?

takeanumber · November 11, 2004

As a true small 'l' liberal, I can honestly say that those on the far left are not hypocrites.

Why?

They admit they want intrusive government.

A right wing Conservative says that they don't want government in THEIR lives, but want government in the lives of anybody who they hate the momment, be it Jews, Muslims or Homosexuals.

The difference between the two is subtle, but both camps share a lot in common.

ticker · November 11, 2004

No one is telling you what you should do or shouldn't do, so why can you not leave other people alone to do what they wish with their life. Who has appointed you God?

The real question is who appointed trudeau GOD?

There are lots of trudeaumania candidates on the left lining up.....

maplesyrup · November 11, 2004

Trudeau said: "The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation".

Why can't the religious crazies respect that?

ticker · November 11, 2004

And it is being transformed from the bedroom to using the churches to perform ceremonies.

Leave marriage for a man and a woman and setup your own church and definition.

maplesyrup · November 11, 2004

And it is being transformed from the bedroom to using the churches to perform ceremonies.
Leave marriage for a man and a woman and setup your own church and definition.

Is your church performing same-sex marraige? I doubt it.

If this keeps up we should just abolish the churches, they are causing way too much trouble for what they are worth!

No government is forcing churches to perform same-sex marraiges.

And quite frankly I didn't give a shit about this issue, until I saw the intolerance directed towards the gay and lesbian community, from some of Canada's religious groups.

The Terrible Sweal · November 11, 2004

Fully 44.5% of Bush voters self described themselves as either "Liberal" or "Moderate".

Now there is a meaningless piece of information if I ever heard it.

I miss Reagan · November 11, 2004

We're not sorry

The Terrible Sweal · November 11, 2004

Not sorry, YET.

Cartman · November 11, 2004

And quite frankly I didn't give a shit about this issue, until I saw the intolerance directed towards the gay and lesbian community, from some of Canada's religious groups.

That's exactly the way I felt. I didn't really care, but then I realized how the zealots were trying to control everyone else's lives. So hypocritical. But then, what do you expect from people who invade the privacy of your own home and stop you on the streets and in parks?

I miss Reagan · November 11, 2004

But then, what do you expect from people who invade the privacy of your own home and stop you on the streets and in parks?

What a load of liberal crap. Who's "invading" your home? Who are the armies of zealots stopping you where ever you go on the streets and in the parks?

I miss Reagan · November 11, 2004

Trudeau said: "The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation".
Why can't the religious crazies respect that?

Why can't the secularist crazies keep their bedrooms out of the public? Most people don't care what people do in private. The problem is the gay lobby can't mind their own business. The left can't come to a balanced compromise with civil unions. They have to go out of their way to shove their agenda down the throats of believers in God. It's a pure hate agenda by MS types who discriminate and belittle those who have different beliefs than their own.

Cartman · November 11, 2004

I will not identify the particular religion, but trust me, they come to your home to preach about God and stop you in parks to tell you about God. This is an invasion of privacy. I had to put up an ugly unwelcoming sign on my door telling them not to bother me and I just stopped going for walks in the park because I was getting tired of nicely telling them "no thank you".

This is no mystery IMR. I am sure others have had these things happen to them also. I think I am gonna start going door to door to preach Darwinism and evolution.

I miss Reagan · November 11, 2004

Well if someone is harrassing you as often as you say, and are invading your home and your privacy perhaps you should get a restraining order. Otherwise, perhaps we should legislate a ban on girlscouts selling cookies, hockey kids selling chocolate bars, the cancer society from canvasing, or anyone who approaches anyone else in a public park. Why not celebrate diversity and the fact that we live in a country where we're allowed the freedom to express our beliefs? The truth is it goes much deeper than someone merely knocking on your door once a year. What bothers you is that you believe in something.

maplesyrup · November 11, 2004

Trudeau said: "The state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation".
Why can't the religious crazies respect that?

Why can't the secularist crazies keep their bedrooms out of the public? Most people don't care what people do in private. The problem is the gay lobby can't mind their own business. The left can't come to a balanced compromise with civil unions. They have to go out of their way to shove their agenda down the throats of believers in God. It's a pure hate agenda by MS types who discriminate and belittle those who have different beliefs than their own.

Stop twisting words to suit your hatred. No one is telling you what to do. The Christian right's lack of tolerance towards gays, etc., is going to lead us down the path of what is happeneing in the Netherlands if we are not careful. Tone it down especially on a day like today.

I miss Reagan · November 11, 2004

My hatred? :huh: I'm not the one who is consistently posting anti-Christian messages. I like gays. I have a few gay friends. I respect them and the feelings they have towards the people they love. I believe they should have the same privilages that everyone else has. A civil union would give them these privilages. I also believe that the state has no right to impose legislation on a religious institution that many hold personal and sacred.

And don't preach to me about what tone to take on this day. You have no idea what this day means to me. It's people like you who have brought this country and it's people down from what it used to be. A proud nation that sacrificed and stood against hate and tyranny.

maplesyrup · November 11, 2004

You just don't get it. Reagan is not a hero in Canada. He was a religious kook and most of the thinking people in the world are relieved that the human race has survived him. Ever since Reagan was in power the religious right think that have the right to shove their friggin' beliefs down people's throats. Well they don't, at least not in Canada. Move to the US where you belong.