Darwin Awards and Need For Guns

[Derek 2.0]

Biker gangs usually include all races and ethnicities. Not sure what you're talking about.

Perhaps not include, but the Bandidos have a "working relationship" with both the Los Zetas cartel and Barrio Azteca.......both Hispanic groups.

[Derek 2.0]

I submit that if this confrontation in Waco Texas had instead been instigated by 200 black guys wearing their colours that the situation would have been handled very differently by local police. The police knew this meeting was taking place, knew that many, many weapons would be available and that violence was imminent. There was no preliminary searching, carding, escalated police presence et al. Unless one believes that the police handled this situation well because only 9 people were killed.

I do not.

The police in Texas, like in the other States or Canada, can not detain both known or suspected bikers in a restaurant "just because", the whole 4th Amendment comes into play..........and there was an "escalated police presence", that is how the local Sheriff's office and DPS were able to respond and contain the violence, and in turn make so many arrests so quickly......

[Big Guy]

I guess we do view the same incident from very different perspectives. The local law enforcement people knew well beforehand of this "meeting". They have already admitted that they anticipated violence. The end result was 9 dead and 20 injured.

You deem this as a successful " ... containing the violence".

I do not.

[Derek 2.0]

I guess we do view the same incident from very different perspectives. The local law enforcement people knew well beforehand of this "meeting". They have already admitted that they anticipated violence. The end result was 9 dead and 20 injured.

You deem this as a successful " ... containing the violence".

I do not.

Right, I "view it" as real world policing "constrained" by Individual Rights, not as The Minority Report....

[Hal 9000]

The police may not have been able to stop the bikers from going in, but why on earth would they allow ordinary citizens to enter the restaurant? If I was in there and the police later said they were outside because they knew something would happen, Id be infuriated at the police.

[Derek 2.0]

The police may not have been able to stop the bikers from going in, but why on earth would they allow ordinary citizens to enter the restaurant? If I was in there and the police later said they were outside because they knew something would happen, Id be infuriated at the police.

On what grounds can American or Canadian police prevent lawful citizens from entering a restaurant? None the less, despite the claim by another poster, police never stated they knew something was about to take place at that particular time (The incident was reported to have flared from an altercation between rival members in a washroom)......

With that said, playing into the OP's Darwinism theme, why would any ordinary citizen dine/drink in a restaurant frequented by bikers?

[Je suis Omar]

Right, I "view it" as real world policing "constrained" by Individual Rights, not as The Minority Report....

A good example of selective, disjointed concern for constitutional freedoms!