WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 I think you might have been in the wrong on this one.... Frankly, I think you came across as a first class jerk. Standing up for my rights buddy! I know that makes you uncomfortable so you're going to have to deal with it. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 The risk of Ebola may be over stated. But, I doubt that the custom officer was the one that makes the policy about Ebola inquiries. Hassling someone who is just following protocol (even if you disagree with it) reflects badly on you. If you don't like it, complain to your MP. Never hassled anyone about ebola questions! Just expressing my opinion, don't like it? Deal with it! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 The laws regarding photography differ according to location. Not sure what the law is at the Toronto airport, but Australia forbids all photography of security personnel. The US doesn't have any federal law, but their may be local laws against it. And, its asked that people don't photograph security monitors, or take actions that might delay others. http://blog.tsa.gov/2009/03/can-i-take-photos-at-checkpoint-and.html http://www.darwinairport.com.au/passenger-information/passenger-security Why, did you urinate on his shoes and then complain because he didn't like it? Australia has stupid laws. I also did a check on this and apparently, in Canada,in public, no permission is required! In other words, Canada custom officers were lying to me! Intentionally or unintentionally WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
segnosaur Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Standing up for my rights buddy! The fact that you have rights doesn't necessarily mean that you're not a first class jerk for exercising those rights in an inappropriate manner. I have the right to free speech... but if I use those rights to (for example) cat-call some woman walking down the street, or yell racist comments at my neighbor, I'd be a jerk, even if I had the legal right to do those things. Exercising your rights and being a jerk are not mutually exclusive events. The risk of Ebola may be over stated. But, I doubt that the custom officer was the one that makes the policy about Ebola inquiries.Hassling someone who is just following protocol (even if you disagree with it) reflects badly on you. If you don't like it, complain to your MP. Never hassled anyone about ebola questions! When asked whether you had exposure to Ebola, you could have just said "no". Instead, you saw fit to start complaining about how "its a scam" and "racism!". Why would you do that? Do you think that the customs officer made the decision that "Hey, I don't like that guy so I think I'll ask about ebola?" Do you think he'll realize "Hey you're right, it is a scam" and just quit his job? Once again, it likely wasn't the customs officer that decided the protocol for people entering Canada. If you think the questions they were asking were stupid, don't complain to him. Write Health Canada. Write to your MP. Write to the Minister that handles Customs and Immigration. The laws regarding photography differ according to location. Not sure what the law is at the Toronto airport, but Australia forbids all photography of security personnel. The US doesn't have any federal law, but their may be local laws against it. And, its asked that people don't photograph security monitors, or take actions that might delay others. Australia has stupid laws. Err, not really. I can imagine multiple reasons why they may want to restrict the ability to photograph... issues like privacy (details of your private life are on partial view when going through security... some people may not want those details photographed by others), and slowing down of processing (everyone waiting an extra minute while you pull out your phone for a selfie) need to be considered. I also did a check on this and apparently, in Canada,in public, no permission is required! In other words, Canada custom officers were lying to me! Intentionally or unintentionally From the Pearson airport web site: http://www.torontopearson.com/en/press/toronto-pearson-airport-filming/filming/ - Filming of security personnel and security checkpoints is not permitted - Passengers and staff are not under any obligation to be filmed – individual permission must be obtained before filming anyone in the terminals - Please respect operational and security staff at all times Now, those are the guidelines for media individuals, but its not too far fetched to assume that similar restrictions might apply to private individuals. Oh, and even if there is no federal law against filming in airports, that doesn't mean there aren't local laws, or even restrictions by the airport itself. In the Canadian charter of rights and freedom's, it's clearly written that every Canadian has the right to leave and return to Canada. Yes it does. You know what else the charter has? A clause that says (to paraphrase) "These rights only go so far as they can in a functioning society". So, you have the right to free speech, but you don't have the right to yell "movie" in a crowded fire house, or set up a megaphone to yell out my personal manifesto at 3am in the morning. Or, in this case, you have the right to enter and leave Canada. But, such access has limits... you require a passport, and the government has an obligation to ensure that you are not breaking any laws (e.g. violating customs laws, smuggling wild badgers in your shorts, etc.) Quote
guyser Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Why would they have more power than the police? If you bring a locked box for which you have no key. They can seize the box but they can't force you to provide the key.Because they are Border Guards and you have given up certain rights when you are there. They do not need reasonable suspiscion to serach you, go through your car and dig anywhere they want. As for the lock box, they can xray it, they can pry it open if no key is present and they can also confiscate it. It is a huge stretch to claim that the contents of his cellphone were necessary for them to perform their role. Whats next? Demanding access to his email accounts or his online banking information?Well , they can ask to see your banking info to ascertain whether or not you have enough money to be in Canada for your stay, they can ak for proof of employment to ascertain that youd be going back after the stay and so on. Of course this hardly applies to citizens but there you go. Let's put it this way: do you think that Obama should be charged if he refused to allow customs access to the presidential Blackberry? If not then why should the rules be different for normal people? Uh...um....facepalm. The rules ARE different for some people who are heads of countries for obvious reasons. Lets start with.... -Does the Queen get a passport? -What about a holder of a red passport for diplomatic ammunity and their possessions cannot be searched? -What about a holder of a UN passport which allows people NOT to be questioned at borders? -Sure....Obama, step over there for a pat down and while youre at it do you have enough money on you for the stay? Oi vey I am sure the Chinese government would be delighted if it was internationally acceptable to demand laptop/cellphone passwords for every CEO or engineer entering the company. They would be able to cut their spy budget in half.Hell, their guards probably have someone on site who could crack it in minutes anyhow Quote
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Err, not really. From the Pearson airport web site: http://www.torontopearson.com/en/press/toronto-pearson-airport-filming/filming/ - Filming of security personnel and security checkpoints is not permitted - Passengers and staff are not under any obligation to be filmed – individual permission must be obtained before filming anyone in the terminals - Please respect operational and security staff at all times Now, those are the guidelines for media individuals, but its not too far fetched to assume that similar restrictions might apply to private individuals. Oh, and even if there is no federal law against filming in airports, that doesn't mean there aren't local laws, or even restrictions by the airport itself. Next time your at Pearson, check out the security camera's there filming you. Regardless, Pearson's airport rules CAN NOT OVERRIDE THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS! Oh and by the way, you call me a first class jerk again buddy, then you're a jerk and resort to name calling because YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A WEAK FAULTY ARGUMENT! Starting to get real tired of your feeble debating buddy! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
guyser Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Regardless, Pearson's airport rules CAN NOT OVERRIDE THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS!Oh boy.....such abject ignorance. Of course it does , specifically the CBSA has rules that trump the Charter when at a border crossing The right to privacy for one, they need not any suspicion to search you, anytime anywhere on the grounds. They can hold you without any charges for quite some time. But hey, dont believe me? Take your tough guy image over to Pearson and tell those CBSA folk that your the internet tough guy who is here to show them the ropes. FCJ is an apt description. Keep it up , youve earned it. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Because they are Border Guards and you have given up certain rights when you are there. They do not need reasonable suspiscion to serach you, go through your car and dig anywhere they want. What rights are those and can you provide a link? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
GostHacked Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) The guards can ask for the password, but you are of no obligation to provide said password. IF they hack it without a warrant, that would be illegal. If I was using a company laptop, there would be no way I would give up that password. My job would then be at risk. Same with any company issues electronic device. Edited March 6, 2015 by GostHacked Quote
guyser Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 What rights are those and can you provide a link? WWWTT Go to post #15 . See what was written, it provides proof. ALthough I suspect you will come back confused............again. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Oh boy.....such abject ignorance. Of course it does , specifically the CBSA has rules that trump the Charter when at a border crossing The right to privacy for one, they need not any suspicion to search you, anytime anywhere on the grounds. They can hold you without any charges for quite some time. But hey, dont believe me? Take your tough guy image over to Pearson and tell those CBSA folk that your the internet tough guy who is here to show them the ropes. FCJ is an apt description. Keep it up , youve earned it. LOL! No one can trump the charter for one exemption section 33! No right to privacy in the charter either, so if you're going to make up rights, then sure you can take away made up rights. Holding you for extended periods is also unconstitutional! Oh and by the way, I scolded those arrogant border guards heavily and all they could do was search my bags if I let them! Once I started mentioning to them about how their unions collective agreement was in limbo for like 4 freekin years they started shitting their pants and let me thru! Sounds like your all scared and chicken shit when you come back to Canada. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
segnosaur Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Next time your at Pearson, check out the security camera's there filming you. I'm sure there are plenty of cameras. The difference is, those cameras are likely tightly controlled, and there are protocols in place to prevent footage from being released to the public. There would be no such protocols in place should someone decide to snap a quick picture of someone's underwear at the security line next to them and post it on facebook. Regardless, Pearson's airport rules CAN NOT OVERRIDE THE CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS! This has already been explained to you. Putting your comment in caps does not make your argument correct. The actual text of the Canadian constitution has this line: The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society. Notice that mention of "reasonable limits"? Basically it means that there is a balance between absolute rights and the rights of the government to do things to protect the public at large. Oh and by the way, you call me a first class jerk again buddy, then you're a jerk and resort to name calling because YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A WEAK FAULTY ARGUMENT! Lets see... you started complaining about ebola questions to a person who was more or less just doing their job. You start taking a picture of people even though Pearson airport has rules forbidding it. Then you pound your chest in pride and claim that you're just "standing up for your rights"? I think I'll go to the old age home and yell obsenities at all the old ladies. After all, by your arguments, I'm not being a jerk because I'm just "exercising my rights". Quote
segnosaur Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Oh boy.....such abject ignorance. Of course it does , specifically the CBSA has rules that trump the Charter when at a border crossing Well, technically I don't think the CBSA "trumps" the charter. I think its more a case that the charter (via section 1) states that there are limits to the "absolute" freedoms. The charter is still in place. Its just not as "strong" as the other poster is assuming. Quote
guyser Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Well, technically I don't think the CBSA "trumps" the charter. I think its more a case that the charter (via section 1) states that there are limits to the "absolute" freedoms. The charter is still in place. Its just not as "strong" as the other poster is assuming.Correct and thank you. But really....youre description, while accurate, is a bit much for that other guy to understand Quote
guyser Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 No right to privacy in the charter either, so if you're going to make up rights, then sure you can take away made up rights.Boy, ya really want to appear this stupid and ill informed? knock yourself out. Oh and by the way, I scolded those arrogant border guards heavily and all they could do was search my bags if I let them!No you didnt let them, they wanted to and not a damn thing you could do but tighten the grip on momies hand. Once I started mentioning to them about how their unions collective agreement was in limbo for like 4 freekin years they started shitting their pants and let me thru! Sounds like your all scared and chicken shit when you come back to Canada. WWWTT Im sure a tough guy like you made them shit their pants. LOL!!! Quote
Boges Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Ok folks got a juicy one to share with you guys. Last Sunday, March 1st, my wife and I arrived at Pearson from a direct flight from Hong Kong. I filled out our claims form on the plane and handed it to the customs officer after waiting in line. I was asked if I visited some African countries and if I was in contact with anyone exposed to ebola. I said no. I then said to this clown that that was a big F'n joke and just a racist scam! He mumbled about something I can't recal. He asked me what country I am coming from and I told him it's in the passport. He exclaimed "I'm asking you a direct question" or something like that. I then took this guys picture and then he hit the freekin roof and started crying to his other bouncer buddy that I took his picture. They don't like it when you take their pictures apparently. If anyone's interested in hearing the rest of the story, just ask and I'll continue WWWTT Sounds like you were being really rude. Quote
Boges Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 I answer all the questions, even if they're irrelevant to me getting on a plane (why do you care where I work US Customs Officer) because I want enter X country. But I'd have issues with unlocking my phone for some guy. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Boy, ya really want to appear this stupid and ill informed? knock yourself out. No you didnt let them, they wanted to and not a damn thing you could do but tighten the grip on momies hand. Im sure a tough guy like you made them shit their pants. LOL!!! LOL! They STOPPED SEARCHING MY BAGS BUDDY! I had two bags left! Then after the union talk for some reason they decided they seen enough and let me go. The guard searching the bag even tried to reassure me that if I had a complaint, it was with the initial guard that red flagged me! How's that search for "the right to privacy" going buddy because if you keep this up then that's what I'm going to keep hammering you on! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Sounds like you were being really rude. Ya sometimes it takes a tough hard hand. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Boges Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 WWWTT will be on the next episode of Border Security. Quote
Boges Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Ya sometimes it takes a tough hard hand. WWWTT Time and Place dude, it's an airport. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 You start taking a picture of people even though Pearson airport has rules forbidding it. I give a RATT"S ASS about Pearson's rules! You want to obey them and call them your master, go right ahead I give you my blessing to be a servant. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 Time and Place dude, it's an airport. Check on both counts! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Boges Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) I'd love to see WWWT try that bleep going into the US or a 3rd World country where he's not a citizen and they can deny him entry. Edited March 6, 2015 by Boges Quote
Boges Posted March 6, 2015 Report Posted March 6, 2015 (edited) A lot of time's the questions are completely irrelevant, they're just trying to read your response to see if they're acting weird. People who have swallowed a condom for of H might act weird. Edited March 6, 2015 by Boges Quote
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