jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) His target, his Facebook ramblings, his religious conversion... Some say terrorism requires civilian targets, not military."Ramblings" of mental illness and drug addiction. His self-proclaimed 'ramblings' of conversion ... but he was kicked out of the mosque. Not much of a case Smallc. . Edited February 20, 2015 by jacee Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Some say terrorism requires civilian targets, not military. I didn't know that Parliament Hill was a military target. "Ramblings" of mental illness and drug addiction. Ramblings that were centred around the so called religion of peace. His self-proclaimed 'ramblings' of conversion ... but he was kicked out of the mosque. Just because most people of the same faith are not as extreme, it doesn't mean that his extremism was not fuelled at least in part by religion. It's the opinion of the police that it was. Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 When did he convert? What was his intended target? Can you quote the ramblings please? He converted about a decade ago. His intended target was quite obvious (the heart of Canada's democracy). There are many witness reports that talk of his extremist ramblings. Drug use obviously played some role, but then, so did religious extremism. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 I didn't know that Parliament Hill was a military target. Ramblings that were centred around the so called religion of peace. Just because most people of the same faith are not as extreme, it doesn't mean that his extremism was not fuelled at least in part by religion. It's the opinion of the police that it was. More likely fuelled by heroin and disdain for his own sad situation. Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 More likely fuelled by heroin and disdain for his own sad situation. And yet, related to muslim extremism. Yes, drug use played a part. Now why can't you admit that there was more to it than that? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 And yet, related to muslim extremism. Yes, drug use played a part. Now why can't you admit that there was more to it than that? Because the more to it than that does not require any new laws to prevent, especially C51 style. Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Because the more to it than that does not require any new laws to prevent, especially C51 style. Most Canadians seem to disagree with you. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Most Canadians seem to disagree with you. Most Canadians want parliamentary oversight of this bill. I suspect when more Canadians actually read the bill through they will have doubts. Of course Harper has already put time limits on debate, as he always does, so he can ram it through before we know what happened. Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 I didn't know that Parliament Hill was a military target.Nathan Cirillo was.Patrick Vincente was. Ramblings that were centred around the so called religion of peace.Flavour of the decade for distressed homicidal and suicidal mentally ill drug addicts.Just because most people of the same faith are not as extreme, it doesn't mean that his extremism was not fuelled at least in part by religion. It's the opinion of the police that it was.He was kicked out of the mosque for being a drug addict. I hope (but doubt) the police consulted their criminal psychologists because the police themselves are dumb as posts about mental illness. But they're gonna love their new toys and power! The police LOVE terrorism! . Quote
poochy Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Most people who kill people aren't mentally well, killing people while mentally ill because you were inspired to do so by religious extremists is a different thing, what some of you are basically saying is without this cause to kill for these guys in Canada would have shot or run over someone else, because, it's not possible that their devotion to their beliefs could have pushed them over the edge. Are you really that stupid? Of course this also ignores the fact that we have caught and prevented other terrorist plans, were all of these people mentally ill? Maybe, and it doesn't matter, not for a second does it matter. Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 More likely fuelled by heroin and disdain for his own sad situation.Crack. I think he was a Crack addict.. Quote
poochy Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Nathan Cirillo was. Patrick Vincente was. Flavour of the decade for distressed homicidal and suicidal mentally ill drug addicts. He was kicked out of the mosque for being a drug addict. I hope (but doubt) the police consulted their criminal psychologists because the police themselves are dumb as posts about mental illness. But they're gonna love their new toys and power! The police LOVE terrorism! . Yea, because he wouldn't have shot anyone else on the hill if he had been given the chance. There is an obvious reason why most Canadians disagree with you, and it's not because you are smarter than most of them. Again, we have stopped other terrorist plots in this country, i guess they were all mentally ill as well, all kicked out of their mosques for some reason or another, they all would have wanted to kill people for other reasons and not at all were influenced by religious extremism. Sure, anyway i know most people here agree with this, it is not nearly as entertaining shooting down every ridiculous argument you and few others make as it is sad and depressing that anyone could actually believe the nonsense that you seem to believe. Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Nathan Cirillo was. Patrick Vincente was. I see. And Parliament Hill? Flavour of the decade for distressed homicidal and suicidal mentally ill drug addicts. Right.... I hope (but doubt) the police consulted their criminal psychologists because the police themselves are dumb as posts about mental illness. But they're gonna love their new toys and power! The police LOVE terrorism! You post stuff like this but want everyone else to provide evidence. Tell me, why do you keep slandering the police? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Most people who kill people aren't mentally well, killing people while mentally ill because you were inspired to do so by religious extremists is a different thing, what some of you are basically saying is without this cause to kill for these guys in Canada would have shot or run over someone else, because, it's not possible that their devotion to their beliefs could have pushed them over the edge. Are you really that stupid? Of course this also ignores the fact that we have caught and prevented other terrorist plans, were all of these people mentally ill? Maybe, and it doesn't matter, not for a second does it matter. If you are mentally ill you will find a way to express your neurosis. ISIS or not. Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 If you are mentally ill you will find a way to express your neurosis. ISIS or not. And yet that was his chosen way. I don't understand why it's so important to absolve radical Islam. Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Point being: This one is the poster boy for why the police and CSIS need more power and we less freedom. And he's not a very good example of a terrorist. And the bill is really about going after Indigenous and other environmental protesters anyway. . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Yea, because he wouldn't have shot anyone else on the hill if he had been given the chance. There is an obvious reason why most Canadians disagree with you, and it's not because you are smarter than most of them. Again, we have stopped other terrorist plots in this country, i guess they were all mentally ill as well, all kicked out of their mosques for some reason or another, they all would have wanted to kill people for other reasons and not at all were influenced by religious extremism. Sure, anyway i know most people here agree with this, it is not nearly as entertaining shooting down every ridiculous argument you and few others make as it is sad and depressing that anyone could actually believe the nonsense that you seem to believe. Better chance of the fridge falling over and killing you than a terrorist. Must be tough living with such paranoia looking for Osama bin Ladin around every corner. Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 And the bill is really about going after Indigenous and other environmental protesters anyway. Evidence? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 And yet that was his chosen way. I don't understand why it's so important to absolve radical Islam. Im not absolving anybody of anything. The proof that this guy did what he did because of Islam has in no way been proven. He was going to act driven by his mental state regardless. So lets not get our tin hats out quite so quickly. Quote
jacee Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 I see. And Parliament Hill? Right.... You post stuff like this but want everyone else to provide evidence. Tell me, why do you keep slandering the police? Today ... the RCMP for their dunderhead 'report' on terrorist 'threats'.They want to man handle and abuse those damn peaceful protesters before they LOCK THEMSELVES DOWN ... like terrorists. Blockade protests are horrible for cops. They HATE them. They have to sit and watch ... and nothing's happening except people living there. They want to haul them out and go home. Harper likes that idea. This is all about the police being terrified ... of the boredom of policing peaceful protests. This is about Harper giving orders to the RCMP to disrupt peaceful ... 'terrorists'. . Quote
eyeball Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 And yet, related to muslim extremism. Yes, drug use played a part. Now why can't you admit that there was more to it than that?These all play a role but the main thing fuelling him was the moral dissonance at the heart of the West's ongoing maltreatment towards the Muslim world.Root cause meet blow back. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Today ... the RCMP for their dunderhead 'report' on terrorist 'threats'. They want to man handle and abuse those damn peaceful protesters before they LOCK THEMSELVES DOWN ... like terrorists. Blockade protests are horrible for cops. They HATE them. They have to sit and watch ... and nothing's happening except people living there. They want to haul them out and go home. Harper likes that idea. This is all about the police being terrified ... of the boredom of policing peaceful protests. This is about Harper giving orders to the RCMP to disrupt peaceful ... 'terrorists'. . So no evidence then. That's what I thought. It's also worth nothing that protests such as blockades are in fact not peaceful and they break already existing Canadian laws. Quote
Smallc Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 Im not absolving anybody of anything. The proof that this guy did what he did because of Islam has in no way been proven. He was going to act driven by his mental state regardless. So lets not get our tin hats out quite so quickly. We only have what he did and the testimony of the police and eyewitnesses. We know his targets, his religion, and his actions. We can't know if he would have acted regardless or how he would have acted under different influences. Quote
WWWTT Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 His target, his Facebook ramblings, his religious conversion... And how is that different from a neo nazi's? Oh ya that's right, a neo nazi targets non white European people! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted February 20, 2015 Report Posted February 20, 2015 I didn't know that Parliament Hill was a military target. Military gets it's orders from Parliament, therefore it's the top of the chain and part of it. Much like your brain is part of your body. This is actually a very ignorant statement from your part bro. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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