The_Squid Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Except the study they did a couple years ago indicated that most niqabi women wore it against their families' wishes here in Canada. So what makes you think they "wouldn't be allowed" to apply for a job? Fair enough... Call it "many women" or "some women"... doesn't really change the gist of my post. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 I agree. What you wear at a job interview is a message that you are sending to the hiring committee. In any job where the position involves dealing directly with the public I can see not hiring someone who is not representing your organization. People with purple hair and/or body piercings generally are not hired by organization wanting a conservative atmosphere in their reception areas. The problem I can see is what happens when the nicely dressed, shirt and tie clean looking young male employee shows up after the probationary period in leathers, a blue Mohawk and his mothers broach pinned through his nose? Or the polite, petite business dressed young lady decides after her probation period that a niqab better represents her values in life? That is going to happen. Then, as an employer, ensure that you have a dress code when you are hiring someone. Even a small employer can do this. Quote
Big Guy Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Then, as an employer, ensure that you have a dress code when you are hiring someone. Even a small employer can do this. Under our labour codes I was under the impression that dress codes have no legal backing. Could you please direct me to an example of one that would restrict body piercings or wearing a niqab? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Under our labour codes I was under the impression that dress codes have no legal backing. Could you please direct me to an example of one that would restrict body piercings or wearing a niqab? I'll let the lawyers tell it: In summary, an employer can utilize its management rights prerogative to introduce a dress code to the workplace, provided it is reasonable, in accord with the needs and standards surrounding the job and the business, and provides opportunities for accommodation as required by human rights considerations. A dress code that meets these tests and considerations should be enforceable. http://burgesslawoffice.com/blog/dress-code-in-the-workplace/ Quote
eyeball Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 And I wouldn't lose much sleep if we stripped non-taxpayers of their voting rights. If you're getting a free ride you shouldn't be able to dictate to the guy paying the freight. What non-taxpayers, there isn't a single person in Canada that doesn't pay taxes. There are plenty who are paying less than they should by avoiding them. They should have their citizenship stripped Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 What non-taxpayers, there isn't a single person in Canada that doesn't pay taxes. There are plenty who are paying less than they should by avoiding them. They should have their citizenship stripped Exactly right. Even the old British standard before the Reform Acts over the 19th century increased the franchise had the value of one's property as the standard, not how much tax one paid, because, of course, every one from the lowliest pauper to the wealthiest prince pays taxes in some form or another. Quote
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Ever heard of the Test Act? Heck, until two or three years ago, we couldn't even have a Catholic Monarch. And don't tell me you're not familiar with the Orange Order of Canada? So? I'm aware there was some antipathy to Catholics, most of which was derived from the long Irish struggles and the fact the pope wouldn't give Henry yet another annulment. I don't believe anyone ever expressed concerns about Catholic followers similar to what is being expressed (and demonstrated by) Muslim followers. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 What non-taxpayers, there isn't a single person in Canada that doesn't pay taxes. There are plenty who are paying less than they should by avoiding them. They should have their citizenship stripped 30% of Canadians pay no taxes. The lower 50% of Canadian income earners pay just 4% of taxes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Exactly right. Even the old British standard before the Reform Acts over the 19th century increased the franchise had the value of one's property as the standard, not how much tax one paid, because, of course, every one from the lowliest pauper to the wealthiest prince pays taxes in some form or another. That was before progressive taxes, income tax refunds, and the huge amount of public services now provided to all. A pauper paid no taxes, as far as I'm aware, but also consumed no public services. That's not the case today. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted October 5, 2015 Author Report Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) 30% of Canadians pay no income taxes. FTFY And this only speaks to how skewed the income distribution is. 50% of Canadians earn a personal income of $32,000 or less. Edited October 5, 2015 by cybercoma Quote
eyeball Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 30% of Canadians pay no taxes. The lower 50% of Canadian income earners pay just 4% of taxes. Everyone pays taxes. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 That was before progressive taxes, income tax refunds, and the huge amount of public services now provided to all. A pauper paid no taxes, as far as I'm aware, but also consumed no public services. That's not the case today. Everyone paid taxes in some form or another, directly or indirectly, and public services have been utilized by all peoples in civilizations since the first cities were invented. At any rate, your idea is rubbish. A core principle of modern democracy is those that are affected by the actions of the lawmakers should have a say in who those lawmakers are. Quote
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Everyone pays taxes. Really? How? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
ToadBrother Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Really? How? Well, in BC, everyone pays GST and PST. There are also a host of user fees like MSP premiums, drivers license fees and the like which everyone has to pay. Even natives have to pay taxes off reserve. Quote
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Everyone paid taxes in some form or another, directly or indirectly, and public services have been utilized by all peoples in civilizations since the first cities were invented. So what 'public services' do you think a medieval pauper made use of? And how exactly did he pay taxes? At any rate, your idea is rubbish. A core principle of modern democracy is those that are affected by the actions of the lawmakers should have a say in who those lawmakers are. The core principle is you have benefits and responsibilities. But people no longer have ANY responsibilities. Instead, all they get is the benefits someone else is paying for. So we have a situation where 50% of the population pays 96% of taxes, while the other 50% pays just 4%, virtually nothing. And you believe both groups should have an equal say in how that money is spent? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Well, in BC, everyone pays GST and PST. There are also a host of user fees like MSP premiums, drivers license fees and the like which everyone has to pay. Even natives have to pay taxes off reserve. They even have to pay them on reserve where treaties are in effect. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Really? How? The same way you do. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 Well, in BC, everyone pays GST and PST. For which they get rebates. And when you add up their income tax refunds the government winds up paying THEM. There are also a host of user fees like MSP premiums, drivers license fees and the like which everyone has to pay. Even natives have to pay taxes off reserve. If you don't have a car you don't pay a fee, same goes for other user fees. MSP premiums get subsidized for the poor, too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 The same way you do. So you don't know. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Really? How? Provincial sales taxes... GST... There's two for starters. The rebate obviously isn't going to cover all GST paid by someone in many (most?) cases. Gas tax... Alcohol taxes... etc... etc... Edited October 5, 2015 by The_Squid Quote
Argus Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 (edited) Provincial sales taxes... GST... There's two for starters. The rebate obviously isn't going to cover all GST paid by someone in many (most?) cases. Gas tax... Alcohol taxes... etc... etc... I've seen a lot of tax returns from people earning twentysomething thousand dollars. Every one of them got refunds of between $2500-$3500. So no, at the end of the day, a ton of people wind up paying no taxes. Which would stand to reason if you have 50% of the population paying just 4% of taxes. http://The top 10% paid 54.8% of all taxes while the bottom 50% of Canadian income earners contributed 4% towards the collective personal tax bill. Edited October 5, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 What Squid said Argus... /facepalm Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 What's an alcohol / tobacco tax rebate form look like Argus? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
ToadBrother Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 I've seen a lot of tax returns from people earning twentysomething thousand dollars. Every one of them got refunds of between $2500-$3500. So no, at the end of the day, a ton of people wind up paying no taxes. Which would stand to reason if you have 50% of the population paying just 4% of taxes. Which means what exactly? Governments give lots of tax credits. If you want to talk about killing tax credits, great, let's talk about it. But what you're saying is that you don't think people who, by your definition, don't pay taxes, should be allowed to vote, even though whatever credits they may get at the end of the year, during the year, they are almost certainly paying a whole host of taxes and fees. You are talking about disenfranchising people based on income level. Quote
The_Squid Posted October 5, 2015 Report Posted October 5, 2015 I've seen a lot of tax returns from people earning twentysomething thousand dollars. Every one of them got refunds of between $2500-$3500. So no, at the end of the day, a ton of people wind up paying no taxes. Which would stand to reason if you have 50% of the population paying just 4% of taxes. Again... you are talking about income taxes... If you make 20 something thousand, you will get all your income taxes paid back. Your income tax refund won't cover your: Gas tax... PST.... some or lots of your GST paid... alcohol taxes... As well as all the other fees and levies that gov't charges... Quote
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