jacee Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 (edited) Good point. I think you'll find they will be gaining Nationally - at the expense of the Liberals....so be careful what you wish for. A healthy split between Liberals and NDP will lead to another majority for Harper. On Guard for Thee: Or it could lead to another orange crush federally. There will be some Liberal loss to the NDP due to Bill C-51. But it's Progressive Conservatives in Alberta who migrated to the NDP. Despite the Harris-Harper crowd, there are still plenty of PROGRESSIVE conservatives all across the country. They are working people who have bosses, or self-employed ... small business, farmers, seniors, youth, urban, rural, academics and labourers and office workers... Canadians. Lots of them. And they don't trust the Liberals. Yup ... there's another wave there. Edited May 10, 2015 by jacee Quote
Smallc Posted May 10, 2015 Report Posted May 10, 2015 There will be some Liberal loss to the NDP due to Bill C-51. But it's Progressive Conservatives in Alberta who migrated to the NDP. You can't transpose provincial politics onto the federal vote. That should be obvious to anyone by now. Quote
jacee Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) You can't transpose provincial politics onto the federal vote. That should be obvious to anyone by now.You can't dismiss the possibility either.An orange wave in the Harper heartland has to give some pause for thought. Edited May 11, 2015 by jacee Quote
Icebound Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 None of the above. The number one issue is the erosion of freedoms, including freedom of speech: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-threatening-hate-charges-against-those-who-boycott-israel-1.3067497 ... Quote
PIK Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 I means nothing jacee, but hey keep dreaming. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Smallc Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 You can't dismiss the possibility either. An orange wave in the Harper heartland has to give some pause for thought. I can emphatically dismiss the possibility. Quote
jacee Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 (edited) I can emphatically dismiss the possibility.Yes you can.Many dismissed the possibility of it happening in Alberta too. And that won't change the possibility at all. Alberta results in the next federal poll will be interesting. . . Edited May 11, 2015 by jacee Quote
Smallc Posted May 11, 2015 Report Posted May 11, 2015 The liberals are more likely to sweep anything by far Quote
jacee Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 The liberals are more likely to sweep anything by far The Liberals also supported Bill C51. bill-c-51-how-trudeau-s-support-of-the-anti-terror-bill-could-help-the-ndp- . Quote
Smallc Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 The Liberals also supported Bill C51. bill-c-51-how-trudeau-s-support-of-the-anti-terror-bill-could-help-the-ndp- . And yet are far more likely to form government. Quote
jacee Posted May 12, 2015 Report Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Remains to be seen ... Disaffected Tories don't go Liberal. They go NDP. Tom Mulcair presents a very credible mature alternative, the only one opposed to C51. . Edited May 12, 2015 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) BUDGET! BUDGET IS THE ONLY TOPIC for the election. Harper's got it covered: feds-release-balanced-budget-after-cutting-20%-of-population The budget, which predicts a surplus of just $1.4 billion, stipulates that its calculations are assuming 20% of the population will die, or otherwise cease to exist in the next 12 months. Considering that 20% of the population is black, aboriginal, or poor, this budget really isnt any different from past budgets, the Prime Minister said. The only change is that now CSIS has the funding to shut them up while we wait for them to disappear. Hahaha ... satire? . Edited May 13, 2015 by jacee Quote
Bryan Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Disaffected Tories don't go Liberal. They go NDP. Provincially, yes, federally, no. Quote
jacee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Provincially, yes, federally, no. Wanna bet? Tories don't trust Liberals. They don't have to hold their noses to vote NDP. . Quote
Bryan Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Wanna bet? Tories don't trust Liberals. They don't have to hold their noses to vote NDP. . The numbers are easy to find. When federal conservative parties have been swept from power, the votes went to the liberals and to other conservative parties. In 1993 for instance, when the PCs totally collapsed, the NDP had LESS voters than in the previous election and LOST 35 seats. Quote
jacee Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 The numbers are easy to find. When federal conservative parties have been swept from power, the votes went to the liberals and to other conservative parties. In 1993 for instance, when the PCs totally collapsed, the NDP had LESS voters than in the previous election and LOST 35 seats. That was before 'the wave'. . Quote
Bryan Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 That was before 'the wave'. . You made a statement about what conservatives DO, not what they might do in the future: Disaffected Tories don't go Liberal. They go NDP. Quote
Smallc Posted May 13, 2015 Report Posted May 13, 2015 Wanna bet? Tories don't trust Liberals. My first choice is the Conservatives. My second is the Liberals. I trust the Liberals more than the federal NDP. Quote
jacee Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) http://www.vancouversun.com/touch/story.html?id=11050670 Two surprising things about this latest poll: First ... "The NDP would win the popular vote in B.C. if a federal election were held tomorrow, according to a new poll, 35 per cent of decided voters in this province would cast their vote for the New Democrats, compared to 29 per cent for the Conservatives and 25 per cent for the Liberals." There we have it ... the Orange wave continues. And ... most important issues facing Canada: - the economy and jobs are still tops in most peoples minds (30 per cent), - government accountability (22 per cent) - health care (15 per cent). More Canadians are concerned about government accountability than health care. It appears that Canadians are noticing that Harper is messing with democracy. Gonna be an interesting election! . Edited May 14, 2015 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 Wanna bet? Tories don't trust Liberals. They don't have to hold their noses to vote NDP. . This is silly. Most Tories wouldn't vote NDP for any reason. I'd donate money to Trudeau before voting NDP. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
marcus Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 This is silly. Most Tories wouldn't vote NDP for any reason. I'd donate money to Trudeau before voting NDP. What about Alberta? You need to pay attention to reality. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
littleguy1 Posted May 14, 2015 Report Posted May 14, 2015 I think there are very few issues of importance at the present time. All social issues should not have any influence since personal choice should be the deciding factor. Health care is always important, especially with an aging population. What I consider the most important issues of our time and in particular this election are JOBS and how to lessen the wealth gap that exists. Both can actually be tied together, because low minimum wage part time jobs seem to be what is available and with rising costs in every sector of the economy, only the wealthy have no worries. I think taxation also enters into this because the contributions wealthy make from non-producing investment is not taxed nearly enough. The PCs have done a great job lowering business tax rates but investment income seems to get a slide. I have witnessed too many businesses cutting wages, eliminating employee benefits and rolling back wages as well as hours. This just puts hard working Canadians farther behind and increases their household debt which the World Bank has warned us about. I don't know how people can live with high debt but I understand how they get there. House prices are way over priced, condos have eliminated apartment rentals and low income housing is practically nonexistent. The wealthy and our corporate leaders must start being part of the solution. Well paying jobs are lacking in this economy and that hurts a consumer driven economy like Canada. When everyone can participate, the economy booms and profits grow along with individual wealth. When only the top 5% are benefiting then government must step in to balance the playing field. Quote
jacee Posted May 16, 2015 Report Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) How about the issue of diversifying the Canadian economy beyond stripping and selling raw resources? canada-s-manufacturing-dilemma-is-that-companies-don-t-do-research and development-here- Tax credit paradox The paradox, he says, is that Canadian taxpayers have spent a fortune on R&D tax credits. The 2011 Jenkins report showed that as a percentage of GDP, Canadian R&D tax incentives were higher than anyplace else. But as Barlow showed, Canadian R&D still lags behind. The reason, Smardon concludes, is that while taxpayers fork out for R&D, industrial R&D doesn't happen here but in traditional R&D hubs abroad. ... "If we are concerned with developing a manufacturing base in the more advanced research intensive sectors, we're going to have to have incentive programs at the very minimum, that are clear in insuring that any incentives are used to develop products and processes in Canada," says Smardon. "They've got to think through how that can be done." He says that is why the Harper government became so enamoured with the business of pumping and exporting unprocessed oil and gas while the Canadian industrial economy crumbled. It was exactly what the global free market wanted. It may indeed be that global market forces decide Canada is an icy wasteland that is best at producing raw materials. It may decide that the best way to use our brilliant young people is to send them to California to develop their business ideas there. But if we want more than that, perhaps handing out ineffective tax incentives is not going to be enough. . Edited May 16, 2015 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted May 16, 2015 Report Posted May 16, 2015 (edited) This is silly. Most Tories wouldn't vote NDP for any reason. I'd donate money to Trudeau before voting NDP.See that's the difference between the wealthy and the workers.Did you see the election map of Alberta? A few wealthy suburbs: That's what the PC's have left. . Edited May 18, 2015 by jacee Quote
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