Should Women/Men Pay Different Rates for the CPP?

[-1=e^ipi]

You guys are all approaching this wrong!

Perhaps the best solution is not to make one gender pay more than the other, but to address the gender life expectancy gap.

And if there is one thing that progressivism has taught me, it is that if there is a difference in average outcome between two genders (or two races) then 100% of that difference must be due to discrimination. It is like with the gender wage gap. 100% of the wage gap (where Justin Trudeau claims that women earn 70% the wage of men for similar work) is due to discrimination. Factors like education level, experience, area of specialization, type of occupation, lifestyle choices, effect of pregnancy, biological differences, etc. cannot explain any of the average wage gap; 100% is due to discrimination!

And, as progressivism has taught me over basically my entire life, the best solution to these outcome gaps is to implement government policies that favour the 'disadvantaged groups' over the 'advantaged groups' until outcome equity is forcibly reached. Sort of like how in Canada, we have employment equity policies which favour everyone over the evil white males (progressivism has taught me that white males are evil and cause most of the world's problems) to counter their white male privilege.

Now I have never observed this 'white male privilege' and may have observed things that may appear to conflict with this white male privilege (over representation of females in universities, higher female life expectancy, large number of university scholarships reserved for females or non-white individuals, nearly every single job saying they will consider the race and gender of an applicant and give preference to groups that aren't white male, expectations by various family members and other individuals in society that males have certain responsibilities that females would otherwise culturally be exempt from, etc.), but progressivism has taught me that 'white male privilege' totally exists in today's society and that anything I observe to the contrary is either due to the evil patriarchy (which also totally exists and doesn't need proof according to progressivism), is implemented to counter the white male privilege or that the white males deserve the discrimination due to their white male privilege.

Yes, according the progressivism it makes complete sense to punish a white male in his 20s trying to start his career through various forms of discrimination in university or job applications because an older white male in his 50s or 60s might have benefited from white privilege in the 70s before the younger white male was even born. We should punish young people today for things that happened to other people before they were born. Makes perfect sense! Much better than simply hiring the most qualified person regardless of race or gender!

Furthermore, because slavery happened over 150 years ago in the southern united states, somehow a Black Canadian today who is unrelated to American slavery should be advantaged by the state over a White Canadian today who is also completely unrelated to some events that happened thousands of kilometers away in a time long ago.

It is also well known according to progressivist theory that this white male privilege will always exist and regardless of cultural changes or state actions this will not change even over the course of decades. Because if white male privilege no longer existed then all those social justice warriors that making a living over issues such as feminism, racism, first-nations issues, etc. might have to change their careers. And that would be terrible!

Furthermore, if anyone disagrees with progressivism then they are against 'progress' and are therefore evil. Most likely they are bigoted, racist, sexist and xenophobic. The opinions, arguments or evidence provided by an individual with these labels must be ignored and critical reasoning must be suspended.

So in conclusion, according to progressivism, the best way to fight sexism, racism or other forms of discrimination is to implement state or non-state institutionalized sexism, racism or other forms of discrimination to counter it. Now some might argue that this appears inconsistent, but it is not. It's not cognitive dissonance, it is progressivism!

So applying this to the gender life expectancy gap, the government should institute an age quota to restrict the ages of the advantaged gender over the disadvantaged gender and/or apply preferences to the disadvantaged gender in health services until life expectancy parity is reached.

Edited October 17, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[Bonam]

So applying this to the gender life expectancy gap, the government should institute an age quota to restrict the ages of the advantaged gender over the disadvantaged gender and/or apply preferences to the disadvantaged gender in health services until life expectancy parity is reached.

You forgot the key rule of "progressivism". It can only be applied when the group(s) it is benefiting is not white males. It is, after all, part of your white male privilege to die before your female partner and leave all the hard work of taking care of the funeral and living on as a widow to her.

[cybercoma]

You guys are aware that you must file to receive CPP and that you can do so as early as 60 or as late as 70, right?

[guyser]

Get outta here with facts and shit. Dont you know this thread is for feelings and intuitions and stuff?

[Bryan]

I'm not going to defend my use of the stats from Market Watch. We all know there is not much wage disparity difference between Canada and the States. And a few folks here have indicated and presented such evidence.

I think that perhaps the member who posted this OP in the first place should provide more concrete data to support the question. Also, the OP was addressing two issues, car insurance and CPP. It really wasn't a very well thought out or well presented OP. All it does it put up a barrier between men and women with no conclusive data presented. Perhaps that was the purpose of the OP?

You haven't posted anything to back up your claim of women being paid less. None of those stats say that any salaries were specifically categorized by gender. That's what people want to see: show me a job posting that lists different expected salaries for men vs women.

Without that, you can be ignoring all sorts of other factors that have nothing to do with employers choosing to pay less. Are women working less hours? Are they taking more time off? Are they simply choosing to apply for positions that happen to be lower paying? When negotiating a starting salary, are they asking for less? Have their co-workers been asking for raises while they haven't? Etc, etc...

[cybercoma]

You haven't posted anything to back up your claim of women being paid less.

I posted the statistics from Parliament's website.

[WestCoastRunner]

You haven't posted anything to back up your claim of women being paid less. None of those stats say that any salaries were specifically categorized by gender. That's what people want to see: show me a job posting that lists different expected salaries for men vs women.

Without that, you can be ignoring all sorts of other factors that have nothing to do with employers choosing to pay less. Are women working less hours? Are they taking more time off? Are they simply choosing to apply for positions that happen to be lower paying? When negotiating a starting salary, are they asking for less? Have their co-workers been asking for raises while they haven't? Etc, etc...

I'm not going to spend a few hours doing the research you have requested. However, if Hal comes up with at least 10 perks for women that I can sign up for, I may reconsider. It could be worth the trouble.

Edited October 18, 2014 by WestCoastRunner

[Hal 9000]

Claims adjusters, appraisers, examiners, and investigators - Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 69.3%

Are we talking about private or gov't because I know it doesn't work that way in ICBC, Rev Canada, Access centres or WCB? If anyone gets paid more than anyone else it's strictly based on job title.

Inspectors, testers, sorters, samplers and weighers - Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 69.2%

​This is a favourite of mine! Is this site really comparing a worker making 15$ hr. checking the integrity of underwear and plastic drink bottles with someone who is in IT checking software? This is clearly a "pump up" (or down) the stats. How about we compare textile inspectors with textile inspectors and IT people with IT people? We all know IT people are generally men and IT people generally (obviously) make more than textile inspectors - apples and oranges.

Security, commodities, and financial services sales agents

Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 69.1%

"This field spans a variety of occupations, from sales agents who sell credit cards and banking products to investment bankers who guide companies through the issuance of stocks or bonds."

Here it is again, people who sell credit cards Vs. Investment bankers, really? So, we're Ok lumping the teenage girl who gives me steak knives for getting a Canadian Tire CC with bank managers - this doesn't even pass the giggle test! Even if we compare investment bankers with investment bankers, there is still a certain amount of commissions and performance bonuses that are equally attainable by both men and women.

Marketing and sales managers

Again, 2 different jobs. Sales managers I would say are usually men and work either partially or fully commissioned, while marketing managers are generally salaried or contractor/BFS.

Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 67.7%

Physicians and surgeons

Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 67.6%

What is it, Physicians or Surgeons? Physicians make what they make from the gov't and everything after that is based on their clientele/patients and what their practice can support. Surgeons make the biggest money - and guess what? Most surgeons are men - likely 75-80%. This is why this article groups physicians and surgeons together - more stat manipulation. Let's try to compare equal jobs...please.

Education administrators

Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 67.2%

Education administrators work at all levels of education, from preschool to postsecondary.

OK, I know that school administrators in BC make roughly the same amount (within 5%). But, lets toss pre-school (day care) in for extra effect - right! We're comparing a high school principle with a day care "administrator"! WoW! My wife was a day-care/per-school administrator - hundreds...maybe thousands of people are - and there is no money in it for most people. Go tell a school administrator or even teacher that pre-school administrators should be paid the same as them and see what happens.

Personal financial advisers

Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 66.3%

Again, commission and self employed - no male conspiracy here.

Real-estate brokers and sales agents

Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 66.0%

I thought this was also commission based, but if you find out that a man and a woman each sold a house for the same value and the woman only got 65-70% of what the man got, I'll stand shoulder to shoulder with you in protest.

Retail salespersons

Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 64.3%

Retail salespeople can work in a variety of different settings, from clothing stores to auto parts shops.

Another of my favourites! We are again comparing someone who works at the Gap with a person who has had to take courses to learn about the auto parts and industrial equipment they are selling. As a topper, they throw in commission based auto sales. If a Gap employee ever makes what a car salesman makes, I'm applying at the Gap.

Insurance agents

Women’s earnings as percentage of men’s: 62.5%

More of the same...commision, clientele, BFS.

This whole article is meant to generate feminist hysteria, and it seems to work. All I find is that when people are made to actually earn their money, by commission or providing services, men are better at it.

The rest is simply comparing a list of jobs that should never be spoken in the same sentence as the others.

Here's an example; Men who work in hospitals make less than 70% of what the women do.

[WestCoastRunner]

This whole article is meant to generate feminist hysteria, and it seems to work. All I find is that when people are made to actually earn their money, by commission or providing services, men are better at it.

The rest is simply comparing a list of jobs that should never be spoken in the same sentence as the others.

Of course they are! I understand you completely now!!!!!

[Hal 9000]

Of course they are! I understand you completely now!!!!!

As I said, find me a situation...any situation where a woman working side by side with a man doing the same job get's paid 70% of the man and I'll boycott and protest that company with you.

Look, I always put you a step above the other feminists (cyber, jacee, Bc chick etc), but if you can't see the intended manipulation in that article, maybe i'm wrong about you.

[WestCoastRunner]

As I said, find me a situation...any situation where a woman working side by side with a man doing the same job get's paid 70% of the man and I'll boycott and protest that company with you.

Look, I always put you a step above the other feminists (cyber, jacee, Bc chick etc), but if you can't see the intended manipulation in that article, maybe i'm wrong about you.

I thought you were a feminist too!

[WestCoastRunner]

I apologize that I am further denigrating this thread......

I am still waiting for those perks???

[Hal 9000]

What about them? That has nothing to do with anything in this thread.

Your claim: Women draw more CPP.

Show the stats to prove your claim. Simple, no?

In all honesty, Ive never even given this topic one ounce of thought until I read this thread. And, I know rates will never be more for women - no matter what.

I have no dog in the fight, I'm sort of being devils advocate here but I think it's a topic worth giving some real thought to.

[Hal 9000]

I thought you were a feminist too!

I've always said that i'm an equalist...and a marsophobic (but that's another story)

P.S - I'll get you those perks soon, watching the game!

[WestCoastRunner]

Look, I always put you a step above the other feminists (cyber, jacee, Bc chick etc), but if you can't see the intended manipulation in that article, maybe i'm wrong about you.

I could never hold a candle up to Jaycee or BC Chick and as far as I know, Cyber is male.

[On Guard for Thee]

Women also use health services at a rate 3 times higher than men. Men are essentially subsidizing women's CPP and heatlhcare. They should pay higher tax rates as well. They've been sheltered from the true cost of these services for too long.

You are aware that the women bear the next generation.

[WestCoastRunner]

You are aware that the women bear the next generation.

It is truly amazing that Shady accuses women of being sheltered from the true cost of these services without anything to back up his statements. It's hilarious that he accuses others of dropping comments without facts and he refuses to discuss policies with same posters. Say what??

[Hal 9000]

You are aware that the women bear the next generation.

Look, I've got no issue with women using the medical system more, they do have "girly" issues. But, the whole "women bear the next generation" rhetoric is a little silly.

P.S - With that said, women do seem to take in their kids to the doctor way too often.

[WestCoastRunner]

Look, I've got no issue with women using the medical system more, they do have "girly" issues. But, the whole "women bear the next generation" rhetoric is a little silly.

P.S - With that said, women do seem to take in their kids to the doctor way too often.

You are a joke right?

[Hal 9000]

You are a joke right?

How so?

[WestCoastRunner]

Look, I've got no issue with women using the medical system more, they do have "girly" issues. But, the whole "women bear the next generation" rhetoric is a little silly.

P.S - With that said, women do seem to take in their kids to the doctor way too often.

This belongs in another thread.

[On Guard for Thee]

Look, I've got no issue with women using the medical system more, they do have "girly" issues. But, the whole "women bear the next generation" rhetoric is a little silly.

P.S - With that said, women do seem to take in their kids to the doctor way too often.

And here all along I've been told that women went off to hospital and had babies. But now I've been made aware that that is all just silly rhetoric. Well I stand corrected!

[WestCoastRunner]

And here all along I've been told that women went off to hospital and had babies. But now I've been made aware that that is all just silly rhetoric. Well I stand corrected!

That's funny! Well done!

Edited October 18, 2014 by WestCoastRunner

[Hal 9000]

This belongs in another thread.

I agree! I didn't bring it up, Shady did and OGFT resurrected the sentiment.

BTW - If we are gonna discuss the abuse of our medical system, it starts with the doctors themselves.

[On Guard for Thee]

How so?

So if men took their children to the doctor that would be OK?