Should Women/Men Pay Different Rates for the CPP?

[cybercoma]

That's correct. Why would I bother?

That's correct. You shouldn't bother because other things aren't equal. You want to make up some fantasy controlled equation that doesn't exist anywhere in reality, in order to complain about women drawing more CPP when it doesn't happen and you have no proof of it happening.

[cybercoma]

Ok, Cybercoma. Let's assume that I have a more expensive house than you so my insurance rates are higher than yours. But you take care of your house while I don't. Who should pay the higher insurance premium? You or me?

Let's assume that your posts are relevant to the topic at hand.

IOW, taking another approach to the question, women have a less valuable asset but they take care more of it (since they live longer).

IOW, your going to post a bunch of irrelevant nonsense thinking that you have a point when you don't.

In the OP, I merely asked the question whether men and women should pay different CPP rates since women live longer. That's all.

Arguably true but likely to confuse further the thread.

And I've explained why they shouldn't pay different CPP rates and in fact how women get screwed by the CPP program.

[cybercoma]

clearly! Why should you bother to explain what you mean by "a discussion normalized for income" and how that factors into contribution, calculation, benefits, etc. Clearly, why should you bother to answer whether your applied caveat, "other circumstances being equal", was valid. In your described comparisons of persons working career earnings, should someone earning less in their working career pay the same contribution rate of their earnings into CPP as someone earning more in their working career, and if so, why so?

Why should we bother talking about things as they exist, when we can make up a bunch of hypothetical BS to support our claims!?

[cybercoma]

the ROI for women is greater than that of men.

Show it. Don't say it. Post the numbers.

[WestCoastRunner]

IOW, taking another approach to the question, women have a less valuable asset but they take care more of it (since they live longer).

Your statement above causes me great suspicion as to your purpose in creating this thread.

IOW, you feel women have less value in society? Is that what you believe?

Edited October 22, 2014 by WestCoastRunner

[Hal 9000]

Your statement above causes me great suspicion as to your purpose in creating this thread.

IOW, you feel women have less value in society? Is that what you believe?

Im sure you know what he meant!

[WestCoastRunner]

Im sure you know what he meant!

No, I absolutely do not know what he means!! And whatever he meant, is no excuse for making a statement such as this.

[Bonam]

Your statement above causes me great suspicion as to your purpose in creating this thread.

I think August was making an analogy to the average wage differential between men and women. But, in typical August style, his meaning is hard to decipher.

[WestCoastRunner]

Im sure you know what he meant!

I am not sure why folks here are jumping to defend his remarks that are derogatory towards women. It is a common reaction with men generally speaking and I find it as no surprise here.

I think August was making an analogy to the average wage differential between men and women. But, in typical August style, his meaning is hard to decipher.

Why do you feel the need to defend his statement? And if he is agreeing to a wage differential, than why all the fuss in this stupid thread? Can August think of nothing more substantial to create a barrier between men and women.

[Bonam]

Why do you feel the need to defend his statement? And if he is agreeing to a wage differential, than why all the fuss in this stupid thread? Can August think of nothing more substantial to create a barrier between men and women.

Was not meant as a defense, more a translation aid from Augustese to English. As I've already expressed, I don't think that women's contributions to CPP should be raised, despite the life expectancy argument. Not sure which aspect of my statement could have been taken as a defense. You should be a bit less hasty in seeing enemies everywhere, when some of those you see may not actually be enemies but neutral or even allies in your cause.

Edited October 22, 2014 by Bonam

[WestCoastRunner]

no - you stated women are more likely to make a larger pension claim... since they live longer then men... and you asked whether, accordingly, women should pay higher contribution premiums. You stated all that and failed to provide any substantiation that it was correct; you've been challenged to do so and you have yet to do so.

notwithstanding your moronic house/insurance reference that you're taking "another approach" to, what does your stated "women have a less valuable asset" even mean?

Kudos to Waldo for questioning the very statement that I have asked.

[WestCoastRunner]

Was not meant as a defense, more a translation aid from Augustese to English. As I've already expressed, I don't think that women's contributions to CPP should be raised, despite the life expectancy argument. Not sure which aspect of my statement could have been taken as a defense. You should be a bit less hasty in seeing enemies everywhere, when some of those you see may not actually be enemies but neutral or even allies in your cause.

That is just a load of crap.

[Bonam]

That is just a load of crap.

Eh?

You know, I've tried to be conciliatory/polite towards you on a number of occasions, and have specifically taken the time to agree with your points in other threads when I thought you made good ones, but you seem to just be consistently offensive in your posts towards me. What's your problem?

Edited October 22, 2014 by Bonam

[Bryan]

Eh?

You know, I've tried to be conciliatory/polite towards you on a number of occasions, and have specifically taken the time to agree with your points in other threads when I thought you made good ones, but you seem to just be consistently offensive in your posts towards me. What's your problem?

She's trying to bait you into calling her out on her bullshit, for the express purpose of claiming that she is a victim of your misongyny.

[waldo]

I think August was making an analogy to the average wage differential between men and women. But, in typical August style, his meaning is hard to decipher.

in your defense of August1991's statement, you are equating

(his) "women have a less valuable asset" <> (your)"average wage differential between men and women"

I don't think that women's contributions to CPP should be raised, despite the life expectancy argument.

which presumes there is a life expectancy argument... which no one has made... with data/numbers, including you. So ya, I would also call that crap! See what I just did there, hey?

She's trying to bait you into calling her out on her bullshit, for the express purpose of claiming that she is a victim of your misongyny.

chirp away, chirp away! Now don't you feel silly, hey!

[guyser]

Actaully waldo, I think you are wrong here to decipher his post as such (Bonam)

He was being concillatory in trying to explain what August meant.

Hell, no on even thinks August knows what he means , so yea, confusion can reign.

And yes, West Coaster, you need to back down, Bonam was trying to help. Put the hammer down, every post isnt a nail.

Edited October 22, 2014 by Guyser2

[waldo]

Actaully waldo, I think you are wrong here to decipher his post as such (Bonam)

He was being concillatory in trying to explain what August meant.

Hell, no on even thinks August knows what he means , so yea, confusion can reign.

And yes, West Coaster, you need to back down, Bonam was trying to help. Put the hammer down, every post isnt a nail.

actually, what you interpret as concillatory, I read as excuse making... and until MLW member 'August1991' explains himself, who knows for sure. The WCR 'load of crap' comment was most justified for the reason I stated.

[WestCoastRunner]

Actaully waldo, I think you are wrong here to decipher his post as such (Bonam)

He was being concillatory in trying to explain what August meant.

Hell, no on even thinks August knows what he means , so yea, confusion can reign.

And yes, West Coaster, you need to back down, Bonam was trying to help. Put the hammer down, every post isnt a nail.

I need to back down from questioning derogatory remarks targeted towards women? I don't think and I will never back down from those kinds of remarks.

Bonam suggested because he publicly posted that I made a good post in another thread that I should be accepting of his posts towards me. Debates don't work that way, at least not in my books. If I have a problem with what another poster says, why do people here try to moderate my responses. And by the way, I have still not heard an explanation about that derogatory remark to the value of women from the originator of this OP. I'm still waiting and in the meantime, I get beat up for daring to question his remarks.

[jacee]

For car insurance, men (and young men in particular) pay higher premiums than women. Men are more likely to have a car accident. Hence, men are more likely to make an insurance claim.

Women, on average, live longer than men. Hence, women are more likely to make a larger pension claim.

Should women pay higher premiums when paying into the CPP?

omigod ... this was a stupid topic to begin with... and now 17 pages of stupid?!

nothing to see here folks!

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[WestCoastRunner]

omigod ... this was a stupid topic to begin with... and now 17 pages of stupid?!

nothing to see here folks!

.

No kidding.

[Hal 9000]

Well, with everything we know, only 2 people did vote that women should pay more. That should make you feel pretty good.

[jbg]

Was not meant as a defense, more a translation aid from Augustese to English.

He was being concillatory in trying to explain what August meant. Hell, no on even thinks August knows what he means , so yea, confusion can reign.

August 1991 is a Francophone. At least he tries to participate in Canada's political dialogue; more than one can say for most Francophones in Quebec. Though he tried to get me banned once, I respect him. Edited October 27, 2014 by jbg

[guyser]

August 1991 is a Francophone. At least he tries to participate in Canada's political dialogue; more than one can say for most Francophones in Quebec. Though he tried to get me banned once, I respect him.

Oh...I see, and how many Francophones do you know?

5 ? maybe 2...more?

[jbg]

Oh...I see, and how many Francophones do you know?

5 ? maybe 2...more?

I know a few at my tennis club who are closer to bilingual though they are French-Canadian. Prime Minister Chretien certainly spoke as a Francophone though someone I know who had a friend who had dinner with him said he could speak perfect English. He used the garbage "Hanglish" for affect. I listen to enough cPac to know that true Francophones struggle with the English language. And finally when my wife and I went on vacation to Chateau Mont-Sainte-Anne near Sainte-Anne-de-Beaupré, which in turn is 35 km from Quebec City, most of the staff were Francophone. Trust me, their English was not good.

[guyser]

I know a few at my tennis club who are closer to bilingual though they are French-Canadian. Prime Minister Chretien certainly spoke as a Francophone though someone I know who had a friend who had dinner with him said he could speak perfect English. He used the garbage "Hanglish" for affect. I listen to enough cPac to know that true Francophones struggle with the English language. And finally when my wife and I went on vacation to Chateau Mont-Sainte-Anne near Sainte-Anne-de-Beaupré, which in turn is 35 km from Quebec City, most of the staff were Francophone. Trust me, their English was not good.

Lovely, now try and tie it in with your stated fact that most francaphones dont partcipate in political dialogue.