Oh Oh Forum Poll Shows Tories Gaining and Fast

[oakhill]

Now only 6 points behind fading untested Trudeau

[oakhill]

I guess this was predictable after the media induced honeymoon period following the liberal convention.

Our Prime Minister looking very much the leader on world affairs and strong economy.

[waldo]

fyi: there is a dedicated polling thread (actually several). Certainly, there will be a tightening... but you seem quite pumped... by a single poll result. Most informed persons look to aggregates, not single poll results. In any case, this single poll you're so enthralled with reflects upon a significant rise for Harper Conservatives in Quebec... from what had been their typical running 14-15%, suddently rising to 22% in this poll. No other polls have such a result for Quebec..... the word for that is 'outlier'. Stay tuned for further results... particularly when the Harper Conservative negative truth attack ads fire up!

[On Guard for Thee]

Doesn't look too much like a leader to me. He's sneding troops to Iraq, but he doesn't know how many, doesn't know for how long, doesn't really say what the mission is, but he is quick to jump in front of a camera when one of the last scientist's he didn't cut from the budget has found one of the missing Franklin ships. Looks more like a bumbling opportunist to me.

[waldo]

Doesn't look too much like a leader to me. He's sneding troops to Iraq, but he doesn't know how many, doesn't know for how long, doesn't really say what the mission is, but he is quick to jump in front of a camera when one of the last scientist's he didn't cut from the budget has found one of the missing Franklin ships. Looks more like a bumbling opportunist to me.

yup! Considering Harper's war against science he had some bloody nerve to show that swarmy smile while adding his "we found it" commentary!

on edit: note to the bitter-pill guy... now that's how we roll in my hood!

Edited September 10, 2014 by waldo

[oakhill]

If you care to look at the body of work:

You live in the country with the highest gains in middle class standard of living in the western world

Your Prime Minister is being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize

The Canadian Economy is performing well relative to its main competitors and survived the recession better than most.

[On Guard for Thee]

I think our living standards have a lot more to do with the body of work the people of the country do each day more than what happens in Ottawa. The Canadian economy had a smoother ride more because of the banking system not being near so "loosey goosey" as the US's was with regard to reams of underwater mortgages etc., more than what Harper did. Matter of fact he added to the defecit that followed by tax cuts at totally the wrong time. And it doesn't seem like you have to do all that much for Nobel these days. (Apologies to Obama)

[waldo]

If you care to look at the body of work:

You live in the country with the highest gains in middle class standard of living in the western world

Your Prime Minister is being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize

The Canadian Economy is performing well relative to its main competitors and survived the recession better than most.

- define middle class and clarify whether you're speaking specifically to 'standard of living' or 'income'... and then substantiate your claim and advise specifically what Harper Conservatives have done for Canada's middle class (standard of living... or income):

per StatsCan: median after-tax family income rose 5% between 2007 (the first effective impact year of Harper Conservative governance) and 2010:

- 2007 => $66,550

- 2010 => $69,860

- a national Jewish organization has/intends to nominate Harper for the Nobel Peace Prize... for his "outstanding moral leadership" in support of Israel during its conflict with Hamas militants in Gaza. Really? You're actually going to tout a most devisive position and the nomination from a most partisan organization?

- per StatsCan: Canada's recession was the shortest and mildest among the countries that make up the G7... lasting all of 3 quarters! Really? Survived, you say?

something I wrote in a related discussion: "Canada's 'mild & short" recession resulted more from how Canada was positioned going into the recession; positioned as a result of policy/actions over the prior decade where the Liberal federal governments had budget and trade surpluses for most of that prior decade. Of course, Canada's banks were solid and there was no ongoing/pending housing bubble. All of this helped to diminish any credit crunch when banks ultimately tightened up on loans. Additionally high commodity prices helped to reduce the initial recession impact; effectively Canada entered the recession well after most other countries. Milder, shorter and entered later... resulting in, again, only a 3 quarter recession."

[oakhill]

You folks always want it both ways. When the Liberals were in power (prior to them installing themselves as the most corrupt Government in Canadian History) anything positive in the country was a result of the tremendous work of "the little guy" from Shawinigan. Now that Canada stands out as perhaps the best performing economy in the western world (Germany has held their own) it all has to do with previous Governments or luck.

Deal with it, we live in the best country in the developed world (currently) and Prime Minister Harper has been in power for nigh 10 years.

This all despite the Provincial Government of Ontario, supposedly the economic engine of the country, being run as a shite show for many years.

[waldo]

and there we go! You're clearly not willing/prepared to back up your claims/statements so you reach back a decade+ for your, "but the Libs, but the Libs"... while dumping on a province. There seems to be a lot of that going around here lately.

[On Guard for Thee]

oakhill, on 09 Sept 2014 - 9:29 PM, said:

You folks always want it both ways. When the Liberals were in power (prior to them installing themselves as the most corrupt Government in Canadian History) anything positive in the country was a result of the tremendous work of "the little guy" from Shawinigan. Now that Canada stands out as perhaps the best performing economy in the western world (Germany has held their own) it all has to do with previous Governments or luck.

Deal with it, we live in the best country in the developed world (currently) and Prime Minister Harper has been in power for nigh 10 years.

This all despite the Provincial Government of Ontario, supposedly the economic engine of the country, being run as a shite show for many years.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yes we have lived well here in spite of Harper running some of the largest deficits in history after recieving a multi billion dollar surplus from Martin. Apparently with some creative accounting his next budjet will get us back into a surplus. In the meantime he has set a record for proroueing parliament and being in conempt of parliament. Might be time for a change.

Edited September 10, 2014 by On Guard for Thee

[Bryan]

Yes we have lived well here in spite of Harper running some of the largest deficits in history after recieving a multi billion dollar surplus from Martin. Apparently with some creative accounting his next budjet will get us back into a surplus. In the meantime he has set a record for proroueing parliament and being in conempt of parliament. Might be time for a change.

Thankfully we live in the real world where none of those things are true. Nice try though.

[On Guard for Thee]

Oh, so if they're not true, why does the government publish the numbers that say they are true?

[Keepitsimple]

I see the usual suspects sound like they're sucking a lemon. Yes - only one poll - well maybe two. No matter how we cheer for "our team" or castigate the other, voters will eventually have their say. There does seem to be some momentum swinging back to the Tories but the LIbs are still at 40% which isn't too shabby. I too am waiting to see young Trudeau forced out from behind the curtain of his handlers....then we'll start to see where things really stand.

[waldo]

usual suspects... sucking a lemon? Really, Simple? It's a single poll and the only thing causing the significant shift is, again, the change I detailed within Quebec... where no other polls to-date have shown such a rise for Harper Conservatives (at the expense of the NDP). I called it an outlier... because that's what it is at this stage. I also stated (now several times over) that, of course, the polls will eventually tighten up. Where's the lemon sucking in that?

[Keepitsimple]

usual suspects... sucking a lemon? Really, Simple? It's a single poll and the only thing causing the significant shift is, again, the change I detailed within Quebec... where no other polls to-date have shown such a rise for Harper Conservatives (at the expense of the NDP). I called it an outlier... because that's what it is at this stage. I also stated (now several times over) that, of course, the polls will eventually tighten up. Where's the lemon sucking in that?

Although you are obviously one of the "usual suspects", yours is but one opinion (hard as that might be to accept) - but one which is sometimes worth considering. There are other "suspects" that are part of the anti-Harper horde - On Guard has feverishly been supplying his/her usual deep and profound comments.

Edited September 10, 2014 by Keepitsimple

[cybercoma]

The sock puppets are out early. That Conservative war chest must be pretty deep if they're already paying their mouthpieces to troll forums.

[scribblet]

Although you are obviously one of the "usual suspects", yours is but one opinion (hard as that might be to accept) - but one which is sometimes worth considering. There are other "suspects" that are part of the anti-Harper horde - On Guard has feverishly been supplying his/her usual deep and profound comments.

Another 'deep and profound' comment followed this one... talk about sucking lemons if they don't like the news then trot out the sock puppet and paid trolls meme. <roll eyes>.

[waldo]

The sock puppets are out early. That Conservative war chest must be pretty deep if they're already paying their mouthpieces to troll forums.

my exact immediate thought after seeing the guy joined in 2011 and had only a couple of prior posts. What... just another "PMO short pants kid" dusting off another MLW id?

[scribblet]

If you care to look at the body of work:

You live in the country with the highest gains in middle class standard of living in the western world

Your Prime Minister is being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize

The Canadian Economy is performing well relative to its main competitors and survived the recession better than most.

Exactly. Mulroney just said PM Harper should be re-elected based on his economic performance alone.

[waldo]

Exactly. Mulroney just said PM Harper should be re-elected based on his economic performance alone.

now there's an endorsement!!!

[guyser]

Your Prime Minister is being nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize

Some sycophant nominates him...big F'n deal.

And his reasoning for doing so sounds so fallacious....if not downright fellatio-ness

Edited September 10, 2014 by Guyser2

[Boges]

This will all come down to a campaign. At some point JT will actually have to say something. . . ANYTHING! And release some sort of platform beyond banning people who don't like Abortions and getting telling Liberal Senators to get lost.

[PIK]

You folks always want it both ways. When the Liberals were in power (prior to them installing themselves as the most corrupt Government in Canadian History) anything positive in the country was a result of the tremendous work of "the little guy" from Shawinigan. Now that Canada stands out as perhaps the best performing economy in the western world (Germany has held their own) it all has to do with previous Governments or luck.

Deal with it, we live in the best country in the developed world (currently) and Prime Minister Harper has been in power for nigh 10 years.

This all despite the Provincial Government of Ontario, supposedly the economic engine of the country, being run as a shite show for many years.

They know that. And it drives them nuts. And they know they have a ,liteweight leader in waaay over his head and they feel they must do something to make harper look bad. And if they repeat the same thing over and over they think people will believe that shit. I have never seen so much hate spewed by people in my life, what a sad life these people must live.