It is Immoral to not abort a Downs Syndrome Foetus?

[On Guard for Thee]

That's right, If man knocks up a woman, he has to be accountable. If a woman get's knocked up, no accountability required.

so the person who actually carries the child has no accountability. We are talkin' some brain dead, serious redneck bs here I'd say!

[Hal 9000]

so the person who actually carries the child has no accountability. We are talkin' some brain dead, serious redneck bs here I'd say!

The woman doesn't have to accountable if she so chooses. Go to the doctor, have the baby's head crushed and cut into pieces and sucked out - easy peasy!

And... as others have pointed out, that's her right!

Edited September 2, 2014 by Hal 9000

[Mighty AC]

The woman doesn't have to accountable if she so chooses. Go to the doctor, have the baby's head crushed and cut into pieces and sucked out - easy peasy!

Wow, what an incredibly inane comment. Thankfully people of your ilk are dying out.

[On Guard for Thee]

The woman doesn't have to accountable if she so chooses. Go to the doctor, have the baby's head crushed and cut into pieces and sucked out - easy peasy!

And... as others have pointed out, that's her right!

And while she is going through all that, he can get in the car and head out of town. That's his right.

[Bob Macadoo]

Wow, what an incredibly inane comment. Thankfully people of your ilk are dying out.

Please don't say the "I" word.....say it 3 times and Shady appears....

[Hal 9000]

Wow, what an incredibly inane comment. Thankfully people of your ilk are dying out.

What? It's a woman's right to abort - what exactly do you disagree with?

[On Guard for Thee]

What I disagree with is people trying to strip other people of their rights.

[Mighty AC]

What? It's a woman's right to abort - what exactly do you disagree with?

I disagree with witless, misogynists asserting that women don't have to be accountable and the decision to get an abortion is 'easy peasy'.

[Hal 9000]

I disagree with witless, misogynists asserting that women don't have to be accountable and the decision to get an abortion is 'easy peasy'.

If they get pregnant, they can get an abortion. No one can tell them they can't and no one can force them into any situation that they don't want to be in, It's their right, and it's an easy procedure. Please tell me where i'm wrong?

I may not agree with crushing the skull of an infant baby, but then again, I'm not a liberated woman.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Hal 9000

[On Guard for Thee]

If they get pregnant, they can get an abortion. No one can tell them they can't and no one can force them into any situation that they don't want to be in, It's their right, and it's an easy procedure. Please tell me where i'm wrong?

I may not agree with crushing the skull of an infant baby, but then again, I'm not a liberated woman.

Not liberated for sure. I reckon M AC profered a pretty accurate rendition.

[Hal 9000]

Pro-life = Non-liberated?

Pro-life = Misogynist?

[On Guard for Thee]

Pro-life = Non-liberated?

Pro-life = Misogynist?

Might as well throw in sensationalist to the list with all those ad hoc graphic descriptions you like to throw around.

[Hal 9000]

Might as well throw in sensationalist to the list with all those ad hoc graphic descriptions you like to throw around.

I'm pro-life but admit the it's a woman's choice and that makes me a misogynist - OK.

That's very tolerant of my left wing friends!

If you don't want to be reminded what an abortion is, that's on you - not me.

[Mighty AC]

I'm pro-life but admit the it's a woman's choice and that makes me a misogynist - OK.

Your comments about the accountability of women make you a misogynist. Your statements about an abortion being an easy decision and just a routine procedure make you either disingenuous or out of touch. Your pro-life beliefs are fine and your choice provided that you don't force them on others and attempt to remove that ability to choose.

[cybercoma]

That's right, If man knocks up a woman, he has to be accountable. If a woman get's knocked up, no accountability required.

Yes, gender 'equality' and feminism at its finest. Everyone is equal, some individuals are just more equal than others.

The woman doesn't have to accountable if she so chooses. Go to the doctor, have the baby's head crushed and cut into pieces and sucked out - easy peasy!

And... as others have pointed out, that's her right!

If it was your body that was being used to grow another animal inside of it, you would be pretty god damned happy that no one else had the final say over what goes on with your insides.

In reality, couples actually talk to each other. Nobody wants to live in your dystopian Handmaid's Tale world where women a commanded to be incubators for babies because their man said so.

Do you also tell your wife/girlfriend/whomever what jobs she can have too? Do you tell her what chores she has to do around the house?

I know this might be a foreign concept to you guys, but women are actually people. They have their own destinies and desires. If you can't share in their lives and experiences, then perhaps you're not mature enough to be in relationships yet.

[On Guard for Thee]

I'm pro-life but admit the it's a woman's choice and that makes me a misogynist - OK.

That's very tolerant of my left wing friends!

If you don't want to be reminded what an abortion is, that's on you - not me.

Of course you are welcomed to have your pro-life views, just so long as you continue to respect a woman's choice. Kinda like the legal pot discussion, people are going to smoke pot no matter the law. Women are going to get abortions no matter the law. In a pro-life world those women would be forced into back alleys and end up with botched up jobs. We don't need to re-run the Morgantaller scene again thanks.

[Hal 9000]

The question was about aborting a Down Syndrome person and nearly everybody here (maybe all of you) is OK with the idea. Instead of addressing this Nazi idea of sorting and choosing who has the rights to live, it quickly becomes "all about the woman". And, lets face it, it has become easy to make the issue all about the woman's rights and zero rights for the baby.

[On Guard for Thee]

The question was about aborting a Down Syndrome person and nearly everybody here (maybe all of you) is OK with the idea. Instead of addressing this Nazi idea of sorting and choosing who has the rights to live, it quickly becomes "all about the woman". And, lets face it, it has become easy to make the issue all about the woman's rights and zero rights for the baby.

You obviosly haven't read this thread very well. I suggest you do so before you begin spouting conclusions.

[Hal 9000]

Argus, bcsapper, bubber, cybercoma,dre,big guy, remiel, overthere, mighty AC, WCR and OGfT all have suggested that it's an Ok idea or said that it's a woman's choice (which also means they're Ok with it). Shady, Wilbur, me and -1=eipi are the only ones here that have an issue with the concept.

To abort during the first trimester is one thing, but generally tests for DS are carried out in the 14-20 weeks stage and to get an abortion, you are almost certainly late in the second or even into the third trimester. Third trimester abortions are horrifying...to me anyway.

[-1=e^ipi]

If it was your body that was being used to grow another animal inside of it, you would be pretty god damned happy that no one else had the final say over what goes on with your insides.

In reality, couples actually talk to each other. Nobody wants to live in your dystopian Handmaid's Tale world where women a commanded to be incubators for babies because their man said so.

I know this might be a foreign concept to you guys, but women are actually people. They have their own destinies and desires. If you can't share in their lives and experiences, then perhaps you're not mature enough to be in relationships yet.

Uhhh, why is this a reply to a quote of me? Did I advocate any of these things?

All I did was try to sarcastically point out the lack of reproductive rights that men have relative to women in most of the West.

Under the current laws in most parts of North America, if an underage male gets raped by an adult female and the adult female gets pregnant, once the underage male gets older he will be forced to give child suport to his raper. How is that moral or fair?

Do you also tell your wife/girlfriend/whomever what jobs she can have too? Do you tell her what chores she has to do around the house?

No. Who is this 'whomever' you speak of?

Edited September 2, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[Hal 9000]

Uhhh, why is this a reply to a quote of me? Did I advocate any of these things?

All I did was try to sarcastically point out the lack of reproductive rights that men have relative to women in most of the West.

Under the current laws in most parts of North America, if an underage male gets raped by an adult female and the adult female gets pregnant, once the underage male gets older he will be forced to give child suport to his raper. How is that moral or fair?

No. Who is this 'whomever' you speak of?

Well, she's actually attacking me, but even at that she makes no sense because I didn't advocate those things either. It's just a red herring.

[overthere]

Argus, bcsapper, bubber, cybercoma,dre,big guy, remiel, overthere, mighty AC, WCR and OGfT all have suggested that it's an Ok idea or said that it's a woman's choice (which also means they're Ok with it). Shady, Wilbur, me and -1=eipi are the only ones here that have an issue with the concept.

To abort during the first trimester is one thing, but generally tests for DS are carried out in the 14-20 weeks stage and to get an abortion, you are almost certainly late in the second or even into the third trimester. Third trimester abortions are horrifying...to me anyway.

Your thread would be greatly improved if you took out the Downs Syndrome sucker card. I'm sure you thought that was clever, when really you wanted to vent again about your prolife views. I take issue with " they're Ok with it". Don't presume that I have any desire to press my beliefs on you and force you to do anything. Don't pretend that I wish to force my opinion on any woman for any reason in this difficult choice. If you wish to raise a child with Downs Syndrome, go ahead.

The prolife campaign suffers greatly because they refuse to acknowledge that having the right to choose means that women automatically choose abortion. It ain't so.

[overthere]

I'm pro-life but admit the it's a woman's choice and that makes me a misogynist - OK.

That's very tolerant of my left wing friends!

If you don't want to be reminded what an abortion is, that's on you - not me.

I'm prochoice and you would probably think I am right wing.

Please create a separate pigeon hole.

Thanks.

[Hal 9000]

Your thread would be greatly improved if you took out the Downs Syndrome sucker card. I'm sure you thought that was clever, when really you wanted to vent again about your prolife views. I take issue with " they're Ok with it". Don't presume that I have any desire to press my beliefs on you and force you to do anything. Don't pretend that I wish to force my opinion on any woman for any reason in this difficult choice. If you wish to raise a child with Downs Syndrome, go ahead.

The prolife campaign suffers greatly because they refuse to acknowledge that having the right to choose means that women automatically choose abortion. It ain't so.

Sure, i'm pro-life, but my views about the issue at hand are more about "late term abortion". As I said, first trimester abortions are one thing, but anything after 5 or 6 months is a real live baby. My daughter was born at 7 months - and she wasn't a fetus, she was a little girl - now a teenager

[guyser]

Sure, i'm pro-life, but my views about the issue at hand are more about "late term abortion".

Worried ab out all 6 of them that may occur this year?

And of those 6 , all 6 will have prefectly valid reasons.