On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 So you're taking the word of the cop saying he didn't really break the law by choking him, even though the only mean who could really dispute that is dead. Then you're saying it didn't look like a choke hold to you, but in the same breath you're saying it could have had some impact on his breathing. Were you on the grand jury? Quote
poochy Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 So? Perhaps some of those other business owners were in the business of selling cigarettes too and didn't like the competition. Is that some sort of justification for him being killed? The justification for his death follows a chain of events that begins with the laws he broke and the rightful duty of the police to enforce those laws, including arrest by force when a suspect resists that arrest. After that, maybe the police made mistakes, maybe those mistakes or even malicious acts are borne out of some sort of 'privledge', doubtful. However, you either believe that the police were out to execute this man no matter what, or that his resistance played a large part in his death. His crime as justicifcation for his death implies an intent to kill him, which i cant imagine you beleive, and if you dont, why are some of you arguing it from that point of view? Are you arguing obliquely to the facts just to be difficult? He shouldnt have died, he didnt deserve to die, but sometimes shit happens, when you are being lawfully subdued afetr resisting arrest sometimes you get hurt, or worse. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Like I said, hyperbole. Statistics. Nothing but hyperbole, eh? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 The justification for his death follows a chain of events that begins with the laws he broke and the rightful duty of the police to enforce those laws, including arrest by force when a suspect resists that arrest. After that, maybe the police made mistakes, maybe those mistakes or even malicious acts are borne out of some sort of 'privledge', doubtful. However, you either believe that the police were out to execute this man no matter what, or that his resistance played a large part in his death. His crime as justicifcation for his death implies an intent to kill him, which i cant imagine you beleive, and if you dont, why are some of you arguing it from that point of view? Are you arguing obliquely to the facts just to be difficult? He shouldnt have died, he didnt deserve to die, but sometimes shit happens, when you are being lawfully subdued afetr resisting arrest sometimes you get hurt, or worse. For the crime he committed he could have been issued a ticket/fine. Kind of like getting hit for speeding. No need to kill anybody. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Well, he picked the wrong day to do his very first bad thing when strong arm robbed a corner store, assaulted a police officer and tried to take his gun. You guys and your "strong arm robbery" crap. He stole a pack of smokes and shoved the clerk. He didn't even beat him or strike him once. He shoved the guy. He didn't even shove the guy hard enough to knock him to the ground. Yet we have Smallc yammering on about me engaging in hyperbole. Where are you on this one, hyperbole monitor? Quote
cybercoma Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 The officer involved claimed he never exerted any pressure on the wind pipe. Yeah, no crap. He killed the guy. Of course he's going to say that. The coroner says being choked contributed to his death. I'll take the word of the medical examiner over the killer's. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 He shouldnt have died, he didnt deserve to die, but sometimes shit happens Great eulogy. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Great eulogy. Maybe they'll carve that great erudition into his headstone. Quote
Smallc Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Statistics. Nothing but hyperbole, eh? Showing that he was executed? Hyperbole Quote
Smallc Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 For the crime he committed he could have been issued a ticket/fine. Kind of like getting hit for speeding. No need to kill anybody. And he likely would have been, had he not resisted. Quote
Smallc Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 You guys and your "strong arm robbery" crap. He stole a pack of smokes and shoved the clerk. He didn't even beat him or strike him once. He shoved the guy. He didn't even shove the guy hard enough to knock him to the ground. Yet we have Smallc yammering on about me engaging in hyperbole. Where are you on this one, hyperbole monitor? Yes, the poor innocent boy. Why, he was almost a model citizen...except for the whole criminal thing. And yes, hyperbole Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 And he likely would have been, had he not resisted. And he likely would have been, had he not resisted. Take another look at that video and honestly ask yourself if that's really your version of resisting arrest requiring using an illegal choke hold and eventually killing him. Keep in mind as well that by all reports he had just broken up a fight. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Take another look at that video and honestly ask yourself if that's really your version of resisting arrest requiring using an illegal choke hold and eventually killing him. Keep in mind as well that by all reports he had just broken up a fight. Oops, I am referring to Garner on the Brown thread. However you get my drift. Quote
Smallc Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Take another look at that video and honestly ask yourself if that's really your version of resisting arrest requiring using an illegal choke hold and eventually killing him. Keep in mind as well that by all reports he had just broken up a fight. No one was trying to kill him. It may very well be overkill. What to avoid that? Don't resist arrest. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 No one was trying to kill him. It may very well be overkill. What to avoid that? Don't resist arrest. HE WAS SELLING UNTAXED SMOKES, for god's sake. No need to arrest in the first place. Why don't people get this? Quote
Smallc Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 HE WAS SELLING UNTAXED SMOKES, for god's sake. No need to arrest in the first place. Why don't people get this? I'm not sure of the proper procedure for that in New York. There's most likely more to the story. Quote
Smallc Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Still, you don't disobey the police. Fighting the power is usually not the answer. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Still, you don't disobey the police. Fighting the power is usually not the answer. Nor is inappropriate use of the power. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Michael Brown won't be assaulting anybody else. He got exactly what he was looking for. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Oh, the head troll is back online. Of course Mike Brown wanted to be shot. We all get that. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Anybody who assaults a police officer and tries to take his firearm is either mentally ill...or suicidal. RIP Mike.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Anybody who assaults a police officer and tries to take his firearm is either mentally ill...or suicidal. RIP Mike.... Yeah but what about Mike Brown? Quote
cybercoma Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Yes, the poor innocent boy. Why, he was almost a model citizen...except for the whole criminal thing. And yes, hyperbole I like how you conveniently only point out hyperbole on one side, meanwhile turning around and using the dogwhistle words to describe the situation. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 I'm not sure of the proper procedure for that in New York. There's most likely more to the story. The proper procedure in New York used to be to stop and frisk black people for no reason at all. But let me guess, the stop and frisk law is hyperbole too. Quote
cybercoma Posted December 12, 2014 Report Posted December 12, 2014 Still, you don't disobey the police. Fighting the power is usually not the answer. The police don't get to go around disobeying the law either, but I don't see you saying a thing to hold them accountable. Quote
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