The_Squid Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/father-in-shock-rcmp-shot-his-son-in-norway-house-1.2712947 Witnesses told CBC News the man, Evan Cromarty, who suffered non-life-threatening injuries, appeared to be unarmed and was holding his arms up when a Mountie shot at him. “I seen this one cop run across the field and this guy was walking on the other side. They were trying totell him to stop then that guy turned around lifted up his arms and they shot him,” said Eric Ettawacappo, who said he heard four shots. Glad he will survive. Hopefully, if he was actually unarmed and had his hands up (or didn't have his hands up) that this cop will be charged with attempted murder. There has been no statement by the RCMP refuting that he was unarmed or that he was a threat in any way. Hopefully someone got it on video... Quote
jbg Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/father-in-shock-rcmp-shot-his-son-in-norway-house-1.2712947 Glad he will survive. Hopefully, if he was actually unarmed and had his hands up (or didn't have his hands up) that this cop will be charged with attempted murder. There has been no statement by the RCMP refuting that he was unarmed or that he was a threat in any way. Hopefully someone got it on video... Maybe here were other indicia of threatening or irrational behavior? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
The_Squid Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Posted July 23, 2014 Maybe here were other indicia of threatening or irrational behavior? No one said he wasn't threatening or irrational. I'm sure he was! But that doesn't mean he deserves to be shot. No ones life was in any danger apparently. Quote
jbg Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 No one said he wasn't threatening or irrational. I'm sure he was! But that doesn't mean he deserves to be shot. No ones life was in any danger apparently. Unless the officer believed his or others' lives were in danger. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
The_Squid Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Posted July 23, 2014 Unless the officer believed his or others' lives were in danger. Was he going to use karate? Quote
jbg Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Was he going to use karate?Who knows? A deranged individual can be pretty dangerous even without weapons. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
The_Squid Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Posted July 23, 2014 Who knows? A deranged individual can be pretty dangerous even without weapons. LOL ok then... Quote
Hal 9000 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) If an RCMP officer can't detain an unarmed kid, they shouldn't be a cop. At the very least, let the kid take off and pick him up later, it's not as if they couldn't find out who he was. This cop should be fired immediately. Edited July 23, 2014 by Hal 9000 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
jbg Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) LOL ok then... Remember Travis the Chimp? Humans can be almost as strong. My 18 year old son sure is, though he's not the least violent or deranged. Edited July 23, 2014 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Hal 9000 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Remember Travis the Chimp? Humans can be almost as strong. My 18 year old son sure is, though he's not the least violent or deranged. Bullcrap! Cops know they don't have to actually deal with anything anymore. We've made it Ok ...even easy for them to say they felt threatened and had to take drastic measures. If you don't comply, you get tazed, if you are too far away and some lazy, fat or weak cop can't keep up, then they bring out the gun. The incident (and consequent fall-out...or lack there of) at YVR should tell you all you need to know about the RCMP. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Wilber Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) LOL ok then... Drugs such as meth can drastically reduce a person's sense of pain. They allow people to drastically exceed their normal limits because the pain that would normally limit them, just isn't there, to the point where they can do themselves serious damage. Even Tazers can have limited effectiveness in many cases. In these cases, the police are faced with someone who is deranged by drugs and has no sense of pain. Any time a police officer tries to control such a person physically, there is also a substantial risk they are grappling with someone who could be HIV or Hep C positive. Certainly not saying this is the case here but unarmed people can be very dangerous. Edited July 23, 2014 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
The_Squid Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Drugs such as meth can drastically reduce a person's sense of pain. They allow people to drastically exceed their normal limits because the pain that would normally limit them, just isn't there, to the point where they can do themselves serious damage. Even Tazers can have limited effectiveness in many cases. In these cases, the police are faced with someone who is deranged by drugs and has no sense of pain. Any time a police officer tries to control such a person physically, there is also a substantial risk they are grappling with someone who could be HIV or Hep C positive. Certainly not saying this is the case here but unarmed people can be very dangerous. There is no evidence that this is the case here at all.... Even if he was combative, HIV+ and high as a kite, that still doesn't mean that an officer can use deadly force. Especially when there were several officers on scene. Edited July 23, 2014 by The_Squid Quote
Wilber Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 There is no evidence that this is the case here at all.... Even if he was combative, HIV+ and high as a kite, that still doesn't mean that an officer can use deadly force. Especially when there were several officers on scene. You don't know what the evidence is and neither do I. That's why we have due process. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
jbg Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Bullcrap! Cops know they don't have to actually deal with anything anymore. We've made it Ok ...even easy for them to say they felt threatened and had to take drastic measures. If you don't comply, you get tazed, if you are too far away and some lazy, fat or weak cop can't keep up, then they bring out the gun. The incident (and consequent fall-out...or lack there of) at YVR should tell you all you need to know about the RCMP. Drugs such as meth can drastically reduce a person's sense of pain. They allow people to drastically exceed their normal limits because the pain that would normally limit them, just isn't there, to the point where they can do themselves serious damage. Even Tazers can have limited effectiveness in many cases. In these cases, the police are faced with someone who is deranged by drugs and has no sense of pain. Any time a police officer tries to control such a person physically, there is also a substantial risk they are grappling with someone who could be HIV or Hep C positive. Certainly not saying this is the case here but unarmed people can be very dangerous. This is one of the few times I will agree with Wilber rather than Hal9000. In New York there have been many "superhuman strength" attacks by crack-addled individuals. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Hal 9000 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Look, I know that sometimes shit goes down and a police officer can find himself (or especially herself) overwhelmed, but this not New York city. This is a small community of some 5,000 First Nations. And, this is just some punk kid probably wanted for B&E or something stupid like that. The cops likely knew where he was, they approach, the kid sees them - tries running away and then obviously stopped - only to be shot. As I said before, if he runs away just go pick him up later, talk to the band, his parents....whatever, it's not like he was going anywhere? This was a total overreation as far as I'm concerned. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
jbg Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Look, I know that sometimes shit goes down and a police officer can find himself (or especially herself) overwhelmed, but this not New York city. This is a small community of some 5,000 First Nations.Though this is a tangent, New York City is probably safer these days than small FN communities, which are frequently crime-wracked. New York City is far different than it was 22 years ago. And, this is just some punk kid probably wanted for B&E or something stupid like that. The cops likely knew where he was, they approach, the kid sees them - tries running away and then obviously stopped - only to be shot.Did he pivot in a menacing way when he stopped? This was a total overreation as far as I'm concerned.In general poice have to be allowed to do their jobs. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
The_Squid Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Posted July 23, 2014 Yes... he must have pivoted in a threatening manner!! OPEN FIRE!!! Quote
cybercoma Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 That Mountie should be fire for not shooting to kill. What has become of our once great law enforcement agencies? Quote
The_Squid Posted July 23, 2014 Author Report Posted July 23, 2014 That Mountie should be fire for not shooting to kill. What has become of our once great law enforcement agencies? 4 shots and only 1 found the mark.... and only wounded him. Nice to have bullets whizzing around where there were apparently hundreds of people gathered... because he may have pivoted menacingly! Quote
Bryan Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Before I get bent out of shape about what we're hearing, I want to know if the "eye witness" accounts are anything close to what really happened. Given where it happened, and that community's adversarial at best relationship with the police, I'm not taking anyone's word for it without other corroborating evidence. Quote
dre Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 Before I get bent out of shape about what we're hearing, I want to know if the "eye witness" accounts are anything close to what really happened. Given where it happened, and that community's adversarial at best relationship with the police, I'm not taking anyone's word for it without other corroborating evidence. Yeah tough to say. Which is another reason for every single cop to wear a mandatory helmet or badge camera. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
GostHacked Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 That Mountie should be fire for not shooting to kill. What has become of our once great law enforcement agencies? They are law enforcement officers. Not peace officers. Huge difference, and that seems to be the mentality shift from peace to law enforcement. And like in most cases, internal investigations will show that the cop used 'appropriate force'. Quote
Wilber Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) They are law enforcement officers. Not peace officers. Huge difference, and that seems to be the mentality shift from peace to law enforcement.And like in most cases, internal investigations will show that the cop used 'appropriate force'. Nonsense, more and more society is trying to turn them into social workers through cutbacks in social programs. When governments cut back or don't properly deal with mental health and drug issues, the problems get dumped directly on the police. Edited July 24, 2014 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
GostHacked Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 Nonsense, more and more society is trying to turn them into social workers through cutbacks in social programs. When governments cut back or don't properly deal with mental health and drug issues, the problems get dumped directly on the police. So the government is helping to create these situations. Why are we not taking the government to task? Why do we seem to always be dealing with these issues with no solution? Quote
cybercoma Posted July 24, 2014 Report Posted July 24, 2014 Before I get bent out of shape about what we're hearing, I want to know if the "eye witness" accounts are anything close to what really happened. Given where it happened, and that community's adversarial at best relationship with the police, I'm not taking anyone's word for it without other corroborating evidence. Oh! Great point. We can't trust anything anyone says unless we've seen it with our own eyes or unless the Mountie himself tells us what happened. Quote
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