AGW/CC Deniers & "Fake-Skeptics" - their mindset

[eyeball]

It's the exact same when we burn fossil fuels.

It would only be exactly the same if you washed back a chunk of coal with a glass of crude.

[Accountability Now]

Ever heard of a volcano? A hell of a lot of CO2 comes out of them, with or without us.

What the F does that have to do with anything? You aren't good at science but great at deflecting.

You're original point was that humans don't produce CO2. You have ran from this stupid statement and continue to deflect with such comments.

Humans produce CO2 through cellular respiration. They take stored carbon and emit (produce and discharge) it to the atmosphere. How can you not understand that?

[Accountability Now]

It would only be exactly the same if you washed back a chunk of coal with a glass of crude.

From a chemical reaction point of view it's the same. Hydrocarbons plus oxygen give h2o and CO2.

[eyeball]

So, it's true to say people who breath while walking to a CC protest are hypocrites.

[-1=e^ipi]

Most of the H2O is at the poles.

No, most of the H20 is in the Oceans.

Most of the CO2 is under the ground.

No, most of the CO2 is in the Troposphere. There is a significant amount in the Oceans. The stuff underground you are referring to is probably not CO2, but carbon in other forms.

But alarmists confusing CO2 with carbon is not a new phenomenon.

[On Guard for Thee]

What the F does that have to do with anything? You aren't good at science but great at deflecting.

You're original point was that humans don't produce CO2. You have ran from this stupid statement and continue to deflect with such comments.

Humans produce CO2 through cellular respiration. They take stored carbon and emit (produce and discharge) it to the atmosphere. How can you not understand that?

Your statement was that "if we didn't breathe there would be no CO2" or some such nonsense. I was just correcting you.

[On Guard for Thee]

No, most of the H20 is in the Oceans.

No, most of the CO2 is in the Troposphere. There is a significant amount in the Oceans. The stuff underground you are referring to is probably not CO2, but carbon in other forms.

But alarmists confusing CO2 with carbon is not a new phenomenon.

Yes you are right, most of the H2O (~97%) is in the oceans. I was on another thread and was referring to where most of the fresh H2O is. I posted wrong number in the wrong place. The stuff underground is both Carbon and CO2.

Edited October 1, 2014 by On Guard for Thee

[Accountability Now]

Your statement was that "if we didn't breathe there would be no CO2" or some such nonsense. I was just correcting you.

See....now you're just making shit up. I said if people didn't breathe then THAT CO2 wouldn't exist.

I get that you don't understand science but it must really suck that you can't read either.

[-1=e^ipi]

@Accountability Now - I feel your pain about trying to explain basic chemistry to the various climate alarmists in this thread, but you probably won't be successful. Perhaps it is because they are high school drop outs, perhaps it is because they were asleep during basic chemistry and only passed because of our terrible education system, perhaps their egos are too big to admit being wrong, or perhaps something else. Who knows.

[On Guard for Thee]

See....now you're just making shit up. I said if people didn't breathe then THAT CO2 wouldn't exist.

I get that you don't understand science but it must really suck that you can't read either.

Your comment indicates you don't understand science. The CO2 we exhale we absorbed by eating. We didn't create it. We recycled it. I thought you would have got that by now!

[Accountability Now]

Your comment indicates you don't understand science. The CO2 we exhale we absorbed by eating. We didn't create it. We recycled it. I thought you would have got that by now!

We do not ABSORB CO2!!!! Holy crap!!!

[On Guard for Thee]

@Accountability Now - I feel your pain about trying to explain basic chemistry to the various climate alarmists in this thread, but you probably won't be successful. Perhaps it is because they are high school drop outs, perhaps it is because they were asleep during basic chemistry and only passed because of our terrible education system, perhaps their egos are too big to admit being wrong, or perhaps something else. Who knows.

Could be you were awake but just didn't understand. No worries, we'll teach you. Stay awake this time.

[Accountability Now]

@Accountability Now - I feel your pain about trying to explain basic chemistry to the various climate alarmists in this thread, but you probably won't be successful. Perhaps it is because they are high school drop outs, perhaps it is because they were asleep during basic chemistry and only passed because of our terrible education system, perhaps their egos are too big to admit being wrong, or perhaps something else. Who knows.

No kidding!

[-1=e^ipi]

Yes you are right, most of the H2O (~97%) is in the oceans. I was on another thread and was referring to where most of the fresh H2O is. I posted wrong number in the wrong place. The stuff underground is both Carbon and CO2.

There is very little CO2 underground. It's somewhat related to the concept that dense things sink while less dense things float. You may have noticed it. It is why oil floats on water, and why the ground below your feet is below the air you breath.

[On Guard for Thee]

We do not ABSORB CO2!!!! Holy crap!!!

We consume it then recycle it.

[-1=e^ipi]

Your comment indicates you don't understand science. The CO2 we exhale we absorbed by eating. We didn't create it. We recycled it. I thought you would have got that by now!

Humans do not absorb CO2. How much do you value your ego to refuse to admit being wrong over and over again?

Dude it's an anonymous internet forum. Suck up your pride and admit being wrong and grow as a person.

[On Guard for Thee]

There is very little CO2 underground. It's somewhat related to the concept that dense things sink while less dense things float. You may have noticed it. It is why oil floats on water, and why the ground below your feet is below the air you breath.

And why there is so much CO2 in the oceans.

[Accountability Now]

Humans do not absorb CO2. How much do you value your ego to refuse to admit being wrong over and over again?

Dude it's an anonymous internet forum. Suck up your pride and admit being wrong and grow as a person.

Lol. This is embarrassing.

[On Guard for Thee]

Humans do not absorb CO2. How much do you value your ego to refuse to admit being wrong over and over again?

Dude it's an anonymous internet forum. Suck up your pride and admit being wrong and grow as a person.

Perhaps start by opening up the gr 5 book and studying photosynthesis.

[On Guard for Thee]

There is very little CO2 underground. It's somewhat related to the concept that dense things sink while less dense things float. You may have noticed it. It is why oil floats on water, and why the ground below your feet is below the air you breath.

Very little? Ever heard of this stuff called coal?

[-1=e^ipi]

And why there is so much CO2 in the oceans.

Since you politely asked a simple question, I will be more than happy to satisfy your request!

Many liquids such as water have the ability to dissolve gas, much like how many gases will contain vapours from the liquid below. Good examples are fizzy soft drinks which contain CO2 dissolved in water, and humid air which contains a lot of water vapour.

The reason the two substances do not completely separate is because this doesn't maximize entropy, which is a concept which in very simplistic terms refers to the disorder of the system (more specifically it is the boltzman constant times p ln(p), where p is the number of macro states). Basically nature likes disorder, and hates order!

So if you fill a container with oxygen and water at atmospheric pressure and room temperature, then while the O2 and H20 will mostly separate, the liquid water will contain some dissolved O2, and the oxygen gas will contain some water vapour.

As you heat this container, the molecules get more kinetic energy (this is what temperature is, just the average kinetic energy of the molecules); in other words all those molecules are moving around faster. Now in order to go from a liquid to a gas state or a solid to a gas state a large amount of energy is required, where as when something goes from a gas state to a liquid state or a liquid state to a solid state, a large amount of energy is released. This is why you can put ice in a drink and keep it cold for a long period of time.

Because of this, in general as you heat the container, there will be less O2 dissolved in the liquid and more water vapour in the air since they will now have a greater preference for being in the gaseous form. Now there are some exceptions to the rule and this is quite a bit of an over simplification, but this is basically how things work. This is why the solubility of many gasses such as CO2 decreases with temperature:

Now back to your original question, there is a lot of CO2 in the oceans cause it maximizes entropy for some of the CO2 to be dissolved in the oceans and not be in the atmosphere and there just happens to be a lot of ocean. Solid materials such as the rock below your feet do not have this property that water has because they are not 'fluids'.

This should also explain why as ocean temperatures increase they will release CO2.

[-1=e^ipi]

Perhaps start by opening up the gr 5 book and studying photosynthesis.

Wait, humans perform photosynthesis now? I know they do in Sidonia no Kishi, but that is a fictional anime.

Edited October 1, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[-1=e^ipi]

Very little? Ever heard of this stuff called coal?

Coal isn't CO2. Coal is primarily solid carbon with various impurities.

Edited October 1, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[On Guard for Thee]

Coal isn't CO2. Coal is primarily solid carbon with various impurities.

I didn't ask a question. I made a statement. But then your reading skills are ever suspect. What happens when you burn coal? OK that was a question. See the little ? thingy at the end?

[-1=e^ipi]

The conversation went like this:

You: Most of the CO2 is under the ground.

Me: No, most of the CO2 is in the troposphere. There is a significant amount in the Oceans. There is very little CO2 underground.

You: Very little? Ever heard of this stuff called coal?

Me: Coal isn't CO2. Coal is primarily solid carbon with various impurities

You:

I didn't ask a question. I made a statement. But then your reading skills are ever suspect. What happens when you burn coal? OK that was a question. See the little ? thingy at the end?

Come on, you are really going to pretend you didn't mean to say that most of the CO2 is underground?

You need to get over your ego, suck up your pride and admit when you are wrong. It will help you grow as a person. It's only an anonymous internet forum!

As for what happens when you burn coal, assuming a complete combustion, you will primarily end up with CO2 and water vapour + a lot of energy. Of course you will also end up with significant amounts of nitrous oxides and sulfur oxides, which cause smog and acid rain, as well as a radioactive ash residue that contains significant amounts of Thorium, Uranium and other elements.