Australia Repeals 'Useless' Carbon Tax

[waldo]

Your buddy Ezra

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/11/01/errors-in-reasoning-trudeaus-call-for-carbon-tax-remarkable-as-is-the-free-pass-he-gets-from-media-party

Last week, Justin Trudeau gave a speech at Calgary’s Petroleum Club where he called for a carbon tax.

He said Canada needs “an overall framework that includes a policy that puts a price on carbon pollution.”

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/06/30/ready-for-justins-carbon-tax

so just another Ezrant blast of hot air with his usual 'media party' twist! Nothing more than the oft stated 'pricing carbon pollution' reference... which aligns with past Liberal Party (and Trudeau) attachments to introducing a cap-&-trade system.

but hey, wasn't it Harper Conservatives who campaigned on the Conservative platform that promised to “develop and implement a North American-wide cap-&-trade system for greenhouse gases and air pollution, with implementation to occur between 2012 and 2015”?

but hey, wasn't it the Harper Conservative's own appointed National Roundtable on the Environment and the Economy that has recommended the Harper Conservative government introduce a cap-and-trade system?

past iterations of the Liberal Party position on a cap-&-trade system have aligned with a position that holds the system must be one that, for example:

- is both verifiable and binding, with hard caps that lead to absolute emission reductions.

- is equitable to all regions of the country

- covers all industries with no exceptions

- has emissions targets that must not punish early-adopters who have already taken action to reduce emissions

Boges, the way you're carrying on parroting Ezrant, is this cap-&-trade 'carbon pollution pricing' the boogeyman you expect Harper Conservatives to attack Trudeau/Liberals on?

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[Boges]

Boges, the way you're carrying on parroting Ezrant, is this cap-&-trade 'carbon pollution pricing' the boogeyman you expect Harper Conservatives to attack Trudeau/Liberals on?

Oh yeah. He should clarify his position then. All we have is "price on carbon" mention. So I would hope he clarifies how he plans to put a price on carbon or he'll have it done for him by his opponents.

Perhaps Harper was for Cap and Trade but I don't imagine he is now.

[waldo]

Oh yeah. He should clarify his position then. All we have is "price on carbon" mention. So I would hope he clarifies how he plans to put a price on carbon or he'll have it done for him by his opponents.

clearly you're as prepared to write your own (parroted) script as is your go-to stable of SunNews "journalists"... did I miss the statements in your provided links stating "we didn't bother to seek clarification... so we're going to make up our own shyte"!

Perhaps Harper was for Cap and Trade but I don't imagine he is now.

you don't imagine??? You're quite unclear about everything here, aren't you? I trust, as you say, "none of Harper's opponents clarify his position for him", hey?

[Boges]

you don't imagine??? You're quite unclear about everything here, aren't you? I trust, as you say, "none of Harper's opponents clarify his position for him", hey?

“develop and implement a North American-wide cap-&-trade system for greenhouse gases and air pollution, with implementation to occur between 2012 and 2015”?

Considering we're about 5 months away from 2015, I think it's safe to say Cap and Trade is not something Harper will campaign on this coming election.

Perhaps Harper was thinking that if the US implemented Cap and Trade they'd follow suit but since the US is not really talking seriously about Cap and Trade until at least 2016 this is not something Harper will try to implement.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Boges

[waldo]

Considering we're about 5 months away from 2015, I think it's safe to say Cap and Trade is not something Harper will campaign on this coming election.

Perhaps Harper was thinking that if the US implemented Cap and Trade they'd follow suit but since the US is not really talking seriously about Cap and Trade until at least 2016 this is not something Harper will try to implement.

you mean like Harper in keeping with his lapdog approach to outsourcing Canada's emission control targets and reduction commitments to the U.S.? Like that? Apparently, you don't realize how much 'skin the U.S. already has in the game'.

in any case, progressive provinces aren't waiting on the dithering Harper Conservatives: Western Climate Initiative

[Boges]

Under this congress or any like it, the US will never implement a Cap and Trade system. From all I've heard the 2012 election won't give the House to the Democrats. We'll see I guess.

As for BC's Carbon Tax, you never addressed why BC is cool with a Carbon Tax but had a hissy fit over the HST. THe HST is effectively a carbon tax as it hiked the price of Gas, Hydro, Heating Fuels and Propane by 7%.

They won't accept that but they'll be cool with a federal carbon pricing scheme above and beyond their provincial one?

Edited July 31, 2014 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

Cap and trade is dead in the U.S., and Canada already walked away from its doomed Kyoto Fail experience. Far more resources are being committed to energy development and distribution, including oil, bitumen, and gas.

[Wilber]

Under this congress or any like it, the US will never implement a Cap and Trade system. From all I've heard the 2012 election won't give the House to the Democrats. We'll see I guess.

As for BC's Carbon Tax, you never addressed why BC is cool with a Carbon Tax but had a hissy fit over the HST. THe HST is effectively a carbon tax as it hiked the price of Gas, Hydro, Heating Fuels and Propane by 7%.

They won't accept that but they'll be cool with a federal carbon pricing scheme above and beyond their provincial one?

The HST was a tax on everything, The carbon tax is selective and offset by reductions in othr taxes and grants. The hissy fit wsa about government dishonesty in the HST's implimentation. If they had been more upfront, we would likely still have it.

[Boges]

The HST was a tax on everything, The carbon tax is selective and offset by reductions in othr taxes and grants. The hissy fit wsa about government dishonesty in the HST's implimentation. If they had been more upfront, we would likely still have it.

In Ontario the HST was also offset by income tax reductions too. Families of a certain income level also get three $300 cheques mailed out (all paid for by the Feds)

The big things that were previously exempt were fossil fuels. They also applied to services like haircuts, gyms, contractors etc., not sure why those were except from PST to begin with.