Argus Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) After an initial period of inter-reliance and equality, she said Canada developed an ethos of exclusion and cultural annihilation. Fortunately, in a few years, this senile old crone will be forced off the bench. Then the court can re-interpret some of the old ideologically based judgement in terms of law alone. The term "cultural genocide" is an invention, btw. Edited May 29, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 six generations of a brutal genocide,. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 What a crock of s..t. The cases of missing aboriginal women are solved at a comparable rate to those of missing/murdered white women. Now you're going to hate this, but the stats show that the overwhelming perpetrators of such crimes against aboriginal women are...wait for it...aboriginal men. In future instead of just spouting hyperbole and making stuff up to suit your rants you should actually use facts. I know, an unusual and unthinkable concept, right. Try it anyway, you may actually enjoy saying things that aren't pure fantasy. Then we can have a discussion about this very important issue. A good start would be with you revealing the source for the issues you have raised, Angus. Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 I gather that you would have us regard your emoticons as both your source material and the sum total of your arguments, Argus. Quote
Argus Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 I gather that you would have us regard your emoticons as both your source material and the sum total of your arguments, Argus. Sure! They'll still be more truthful and more logical than talking about a people who have been subjected to "six generations of genocide" but are still here! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 (edited) Sure! They'll still be more truthful and more logical than talking about a people who have been subjected to "six generations of genocide" but are still here!Following your emoticon logic, the "They'll still be more truthful and more logical" ones, how has it escaped you that Jewish people still exist on planet Earth? THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE On December 9, 1948, in the shadow of the Holocaust and in no small part due to the tireless efforts of Lemkin himself, the United Nations approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This convention establishes "genocide as an international crime, which signatory nations undertake to prevent and punish. It defines genocide as: [G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/mobile/en/article.php?ModuleId=10007043 Is this not abysmal ignorance, Argus? Non pejorative sense of course. (See below) M-W :the state or fact of being ignorant :lack of knowledge, education, or awareness Edited May 29, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote
Je suis Omar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 Fortunately, in a few years, this senile old crone will be forced off the bench. Then the court can re-interpret some of the old ideologically based judgement in terms of law alone. The term "cultural genocide" is an invention, btw. I'm wondering why you don't stick to emoticon logic, Argus, 'cause it is a whole lot better than the above. All laws, all constitutions, all treaties, all ...s are inventions. All are ideologically based. How has THIS also escaped you? Quote
Argus Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 Following your emoticon logic, the "They'll still be more truthful and more logical" ones, how has it escaped you that Jewish people still exist on planet Earth? I believe the genocide only lasted about ten years for the Jews. Are you suggesting its been going on for the last six generations? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted May 29, 2015 Report Posted May 29, 2015 I believe the genocide only lasted about ten years for the Jews. Are you suggesting its been going on for the last six generations? What you are illustrating here definitely is not cojones! You might consider, this one time, doing some research. Do you need me to describe the meaning of 'research' for you? Quote
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Do you need me to describe the meaning of 'research' for you? Given the screwball web sites you take as gospel I think I can give that a pass. Heck, I bet you could probably find a cite that said some native group was in its thousandth straight year of being genocided! Edited May 30, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 Given the screwball web sites you take as gospel I think I can give that a pass. Heck, I bet you could probably find a cite that said some native group was in its thousandth straight year of being genocided! You don't do research, Argus. You're proving it here again, for the umpteenth time. You present completely illogical, vacuous responses and as soon as that is pointed up to you, you leap to respond in exactly the same fashion. Genocide is multi-faceted. You now know, having been told, that genocide doesn't require that all from a group perish. But still you persist. Why do you lack the honesty necessary to admit you were mistaken and move on. Quote
jacee Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Posted May 30, 2015 The term "cultural genocide" is an invention, btw. Yes it is, a Canadian euphemism. The word "cultural" is intended to soften the genocide, make it sound less brutal. In fact the destruction of a culture is the defining feature of genocide. . Quote
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 Genocide is multi-faceted. No, it really isn't. It's very clear cut, very brutal, and very obvious. And it has an emotional response. That's why ultra leftists have done their damnedest to try to appropriate the word so they could use it in defense of whatever happens to be their pet project de jour. You can't have suffered six generations of 'genocide' because your people wouldn't exist if you had. You and the other leftist ideologues demean the word and the suffering of those who have actually undergone horrific abuse in your juvenile and ignorant attempts to elevate the importance of your petty causes. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 Yes it is, a Canadian euphemism. The word "cultural" is intended to soften the genocide, make it sound less brutal. In fact the destruction of a culture is the defining feature of genocide. . Mass murder is the defining feature of genocide, but I can see why you want to squirm away from that. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Je suis Omar Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) Omar wrote: Genocide is multi-faceted. No, it really isn't. It's very clear cut, very brutal, and very obvious. Perhaps you are thinking of some other meme filled definition that you have garnered from some right wing website. I haven't noticed your link to that site. Where is it? It appears that you need to see the internationally accepted definition of genocide once again. THE CRIME OF GENOCIDE On December 9, 1948, in the shadow of the Holocaust and in no small part due to the tireless efforts of Lemkin himself, the United Nations approved the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide. This convention establishes "genocide as an international crime, which signatory nations undertake to prevent and punish. It defines genocide as: [G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: (a) Killing members of the group; b. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; © Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group. http://www.ushmm.org...duleId=10007043 That's why ultra leftists have done their damnedest to try to appropriate the word so they could use it in defense of whatever happens to be their pet project de jour. Do you mean ultra leftists like the ones from the link above, the one you obviously failed to read. Those ultra leftists would be the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. You can't have suffered six generations of 'genocide' because your people wouldn't exist if you had. The definitions of genocide, above, reveal that your notion is overly simplistic and therefore fatuous as fatuous can be. Only one definition relates to killing. The other four relate to genocide in other forms. But why does this have to be explained to you again and again. The information necessary to lift you from your state of ignorance (non pejorative) was provided to you before you launched a second, meme filled, error ridden tirade. Edited May 30, 2015 by Je suis Omar Quote
jacee Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Posted May 30, 2015 Mass murder is the defining feature of genocide, but I can see why you want to squirm away from that. No it isn't. Look it up. . Quote
jacee Posted May 30, 2015 Author Report Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) /residential-schools-findings-point-to-cultural-genocide-commission-chair-says At least 6,000 aboriginal children died while in the residential school system, says Justice Murray Sinclair ... "We think that we have not uncovered anywhere near what the total would be because the record keeping around that question was very poor," ... Canada, [McLaughlin] said, developed an "ethos of exclusion and cultural annihilation." Sinclair said he agrees with McLachlin's characterization of the country's history. "I think as commissioners we have concluded that cultural genocide is probably the best description of what went on here. But more importantly, if anybody tried to do this today, they would easily be subject to prosecution under the genocide convention," Sinclair told Evan Solomon of CBC Radio's The House. "The evidence is mounting that the government did try to eliminate the culture and language of indigenous people for well over a hundred years. And they did it by forcibly removing children from their families and placing them within institutions that were cultural indoctrination centres. Edited May 30, 2015 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 No it isn't. Look it up. . Why? If I read something that says snow is hot it's not going to change my mind. I know what genocide is. I don't care what spin anyone else cares to put on the word for political reasons. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 (edited) At least 6,000 aboriginal children died while in the residential school system, says Justice Murray Sinclair ... Is that all? So what? Life was cheap back then How many white kids do you think died in various orphanages and boarding schools over the same period of time? For that matter, how many native kids died at home? Edited May 30, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 LOL! Destroy the language and culture of several groups of people is HILARIOUS! Quote
cybercoma Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 I have to wonder what Argus would think about 6000 children killed in the Catholic school system. How would that fly? Since it's first nations kids in residential schools though, *shrugs*. Let's all have a good laugh instead. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 30, 2015 Report Posted May 30, 2015 Is that all? So what? Life was cheap back then How many white kids do you think died in various orphanages and boarding schools over the same period of time? For that matter, how many native kids died at home? You have heard of residential schools, no.... Quote
jacee Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Posted May 31, 2015 Why? If I read something that says snow is hot it's not going to change my mind. I know what genocide is. I don't care what spin anyone else cares to put on the word for political reasons. You don't care about the legal definition? If you attempt to destroy particular groups of people, their culture, religion, LAND RIGHTS and existence in law ... That's genocide. It can be a long process over time, not an 'event'. It can involve several strategies - killing is only one. Still genocide. . Quote
jacee Posted May 31, 2015 Author Report Posted May 31, 2015 Is that all? So what? Life was cheap back then How many white kids do you think died in various orphanages and boarding schools over the same period of time? For that matter, how many native kids died at home? The death rates in the IRS were much higher. . Quote
Argus Posted May 31, 2015 Report Posted May 31, 2015 You have heard of residential schools, no.... Yeah? So? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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