White People Can't Live Here - Six Nations Racism

[jacee]

So all my non-white non-native friends that opposite state institutionalized racism are white supremacists?

The complaints of "racism" of Aboriginal rights arose from white supremacist-linked individuals and groups, and they keep plugging away at spreading that propaganda.

Just sayin ... that's where it originated.

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[jacee]

The Six Nations claim to not be part of Canada

You said the Six Nations of the Grand River website was full of "untruths".

That's the example you've provided.

Link to that on their site please.

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Edited June 26, 2014 by jacee

[Smallc]

Well there is this press release which was on their website...that took.l a few seconds:

http://www.tworowtimes.com/bill-c10-2/haudenosaune-confederacy-council-issue-official-statement-on-bill-c-10/

[-1=e^ipi]

It is agreed (via the UN Declaration) that Indigenous Peoples and their rights exist within States - thus within Canada.

You mean the racist declaration that was initially rejected by Canada, United States, Australia, New Zealand, UK & others because of its clear unworkability within a Liberal Democracy? Of course later on these countries caved in to politically correct peer pressure and have signed it in spirit but it remains non-legally binding.

[-1=e^ipi]

The complaints of "racism" of Aboriginal rights arose from white supremacist-linked individuals and groups, and they keep plugging away at spreading that propaganda.

Just sayin ... that's where it originated.

No, the complaints of 'racism' arise from the inherent racist nature of treating people differently based on their race.

[dre]

No, the complaints of 'racism' arise from the inherent racist nature of treating people differently based on their race.

Thats not what happens though. You could show up in Canada with the exact same racial characteristics as native Canadians and you would not get status. Thats because the treaties are not about race at all, they contracts between two groups of people and their respective descendants.

[dre]

Whether one benefits from the provisions of the treaty that ascribe certain rights to aboriginals is dependent on one's bloodline, that is one's race.

I wont bother explaining the difference between race and heredity because google can do that for you if youre interested.

[dre]

Actually, the normal process is move in, kill or absorb the existing inhabitants.

Gosh yeah! I wonder why the Canadian courts dont recognize the approach the Nazis used in Poland as the foundation for settling claims with the natives! ROFLMAO

[-1=e^ipi]

Thats not what happens though. You could show up in Canada with the exact same racial characteristics as native Canadians and you would not get status. Thats because the treaties are not about race at all, they contracts between two groups of people and their respective descendants.

I can't show up to Canada with the same racial characteristics, as I do not have those characteristics as I am (mostly) not of that race.

And again, many unanswered questions remain:

Where do people of other 'groups' like Chinese Canadians fit into this?

Where do people of mixed race fit into this?

Can I make a contract that indebts my grandchildren to the grandchildren of someone else? If not, why the double standard?

Who gave some unelected monarch from hundreds of years ago the power to make these deals? I never agreed to any of this.

And I can just imagine the same logic being applied to Black Slavery:

'Slavery isn't about race, they are contracts between two groups of people (between the Europeans who took them to the Americas and the East African Tribal Leaders that agreed to sell the slaves to the Europeans (including the promise of enslavement of all their ancestors))'.

[bush_cheney2004]

"Black slavery" was part of an economic system for cheap labour that involved many other "races".

Since that aspect has been broached here, what is the official term for "white people" in Canada..."visible majority" ?

Edited June 26, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

[guyser]

Who gave some unelected monarch from hundreds of years ago the power to make these deals? I never agreed to any of this.

Ok

You didnt agree to Taxation either.

Come to think of it, you didnt have a say in the HTA, CCC either.

Get out there a rob a bank. Dont worry, you can always tell them ,,,"I never agreed to any of this'

[dre]

And I can just imagine the same logic being applied to Black Slavery:

'Slavery isn't about race, they are contracts between two groups of people (between the Europeans who took them to the Americas and the East African Tribal Leaders that agreed to sell the slaves to the Europeans (including the promise of enslavement of all their ancestors))'.

That example is irrelevant. The slaves did not consent or sign any contract with anyone.

[-1=e^ipi]

Since that aspect has been broached here, what is the official term for "white people" in Canada..."visible majority" ?

Idk. As far as I know, Canada has no visible majority, especially not with young people that live in cities; everyone is a visible minority.

You didnt agree to Taxation either.

Come to think of it, you didnt have a say in the HTA, CCC either.

Get out there a rob a bank. Dont worry, you can always tell them ,,,"I never agreed to any of this'

You can justify taxation on a utilitarian basis. You can justify not robbing a bank on morality. You cannot use either of these methods to justify racist laws and institutions.

That example is irrelevant. The slaves did not consent or sign any contract with anyone.

Oh but my ancestors did not sign contracts or consent with anyone. Neither did the majority of the ancestors of Canadians.

[cybercoma]

Oh but my ancestors did not sign contracts or consent with anyone. Neither did the majority of the ancestors of Canadians.

doesnt matter. As a Canadian citizen you owe your allegiance to the sovereign and thus all laws and treaties that come from it.

[-1=e^ipi]

doesnt matter. As a Canadian citizen you owe your allegiance to the sovereign and thus all laws and treaties that come from it.

I owe my allegiance to the sovereign? What nonsense is this? I'm indebted to someone from birth based on their birth right?

Did/do the slaves and all their descendants owe allegiance to the East African Tribal Leaders and their descendants, including the agreements the East African Tribal Leaders made to have them enslaved? If not, why the double standard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g9zxduFtSM

Edited June 27, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[Smallc]

You have to get over this. We have laws that flow from the Crown, and we're responsible for our commitments. That doesn't mean they make any sense or that things should be that way.....but that's the way things are.

[jacee]

TimG, on 25 Jun 2014 - 11:05 PM, said: Actually, the normal process is move in, kill or absorb the existing inhabitants.

Gosh yeah! I wonder why the Canadian courts dont recognize the approach the Nazis used in Poland as the foundation for settling claims with the natives! ROFLMAO

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[dre]

You have to get over this. We have laws that flow from the Crown, and we're responsible for our commitments. That doesn't mean they make any sense or that things should be that way.....but that's the way things are.

That IS the way things are, but we can keep working to make things better, negotiate new treaties etc.

[cybercoma]

I owe my allegiance to the sovereign? What nonsense is this? I'm indebted to someone from birth based on their birth right?

To "someone"? I said you owe your allegiance to the sovereign. In Canada that is embodied in an individual. In other countries it's more abstract like the people or the Constitution. Regardless, you're obliged to abide by the Social Contract with all of its benefits and responsibilities. In Canada the Social Contract is embodied by allegiance to the Sovereign, which is embodied in the Queen of Canada. She is the nation-state personified. She is the country. Your allegiance obliges you to accept the constitutionality of our laws and understand that agreements are made on your behalf vis-a-vis a representative in Parliament. Moreover, historical agreements were made on your behalf through the sovereign who is our state. Now if you don't want to give allegiance to the sovereign, then you are in fact saying that you are against the state and you should renounce your citizenship.

[-1=e^ipi]

I said you owe your allegiance to the sovereign.

No I don't. I owe nothing to the sovereign and the sovereign owes nothing to me.

Regardless, you're obliged to abide by the Social Contract with all of its benefits and responsibilities.

Nope.

She is the country.

No she isn't. She is a person. You are deluded.

Your allegiance obliges you to accept the constitutionality of our laws and understand that agreements are made on your behalf vis-a-vis a representative in Parliament.

I accept laws if they make sense and have value to society. Not due to a bizarre concept that I owe allegiance to someone based on birth.

Moreover, historical agreements were made on your behalf through the sovereign who is our state.

You can't make agreements of behalf of people that aren't alive yet. That is insane.

Now if you don't want to give allegiance to the sovereign, then you are in fact saying that you are against the state and you should renounce your citizenship.

I was born and live in Canada. Unlike the sovereign. Why don't you renounce your citizenship and go live in Britain? Better yet, North Korea where they have a much stronger concept of birth right. (Edit: to clarify, I do not think you should go live in Britain or North Korea if you do not want to, I was merely trying to demonstrate how ridiculous I find your suggestion that I should renounce my citizenship)

Edited June 27, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[jacee]

I owe my allegiance to the sovereign? What nonsense is this? I'm indebted to someone from birth based on their birth right?

Based on YOUR birthright.

Born Canadian, right?

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[-1=e^ipi]

Based on YOUR birthright.

Born Canadian, right?

No one chooses when and where they are born. Being born is not an accomplishment. The concept of birthright is insane.

Edited June 27, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[jacee]

No one chooses when and where they are born. Being born is not an accomplishment. The concept of birthright is insane.

Well I guess you won't be bothering to get another health card then!

Or ... wait a minute!

You want all the legal benefits of being Canadian, but none of the liabilities?

Grow up.

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Edited June 27, 2014 by jacee

[-1=e^ipi]

Well I guess you won't be bothering to get another health card then!

Why do you make this claim? Another health card is going to arrive in the mail in the next few days (for me).

You want all the legal benefits of being Canadian, but none of the liabilities?

No, where have I made this claim? If I murder or steal from someone then I expect to go to jail.

Grow up.

Wow, brilliant and well thought argument! *sarcasm*

Edited June 27, 2014 by -1=e^ipi

[dre]

Wow, brilliant and well thought argument! *sarcasm*

Well he has a point. I mean it SHOULD be clear to any sentient being why citizens of a country are forced to abide by the deals and commitments that nation has made in the past.

And this whole "I didnt sign anything!" argument, and the whole "who is WE" thing are really the dumbest contributions to this thread so far.