Man kills his daughter. Only gets 60 days!

[Boges]

OH-EM-GEE!!!!

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/05/21/quebec_man_who_killed_daughter_with_slap_gets_60_days_in_jail.html

MONTREAL—It was a slap that had been reverberating for nearly four years.

A 74-year-old man who unintentionally killed his 13-year-old daughter when he slapped her over a dispute about chores has been sentenced to 60 days in prison — far less than the two-years-less-a-day sentence sought by the Crown.

Judge Richard Marleau said he considered the obvious remorse of Moussa Sidimé, who pled guilty to manslaughter charges last year, as well as his lack of a criminal record in calculating the sentence in the October 2010 death of Nouténé Sidimé.

“For a Muslim, you believe that what has happened is the will of God . . . . Whatever would have come out today would have been what God wanted — as with the passing of our sister, said Aissatou Sidimé-Blanton, who travelled from Texas to be at Wednesday’s sentencing.

“We love her dearly, we didn’t want her to go, but it was what God wanted at that time. This is one of those freak accidents that, as he has said, if he could take it back, he would take it back.”

I thought Corporal punishment was unacceptable? He hit her so hard he essentially broke her neck. That's no light slap on the butt. She didn't clean the house properly and loses her life because of it?

In what universe is this alright? Don't anyone try to tell me if a white guy did this, he'd have gotten off so easy. This guy got off because of the cultural treatment of women in many Muslim homes.

And for the sister to say that God wanted this girl to die?

This ruling is an embarrassment to Canada.

Edited May 22, 2014 by Boges

[Guest]

The sister's comments are an embarrassment. The ruling, I don't know. As a father of daughters who has lost his temper in the past, I wonder how close I came to hitting out at them. Luckily, I didn't. But I wanted to.

This man lost his self control and will suffer for it the rest of his life. I'm actually sorry for him.

[Boges]

The sister's comments are an embarrassment. The ruling, I don't know. As a father of daughters who has lost his temper in the past, I wonder how close I came to hitting out at them. Luckily, I didn't. But I wanted to.

This man lost his self control and will suffer for it the rest of his life. I'm actually sorry for him.

I fully understand that something similar could happen to any father. Though you might expect a slap in the face if the child did something horrible like commit a crime or something like like that. This girl got hit for not cleaning the house properly. It seems like he thought of her as his property.

The problem is his culture should be absolutely irrelevant in the sentencing. And his "community" rallied behind him. If anyone knew a WASP that accidentally broke his daughter's neck, would there be such community support?

Edited May 22, 2014 by Boges

[The_Squid]

This idiot should rot in jail.

You are responsible for the consequences once you decide to hit someone. 2 years that the crown was asking for is too lenient.

[monty16]

This idiot should rot in jail.

You are responsible for the consequences once you decide to hit someone. 2 years that the crown was asking for is too lenient.

To say someone should rot in jail is an extremist position and as Canadians we try to stop short of that even in cases where emotions get the better of common sense. A lot of the problem could be that we are too much in tune with what's happening south of our border where hundreds of thousands 'are' rotting in jail. Social responsibility and rehabilitation are foreign words to them.

[The_Squid]

To say someone should rot in jail is an extremist position and as Canadians we try to stop short of that even in cases where emotions get the better of common sense. A lot of the problem could be that we are too much in tune with what's happening south of our border where hundreds of thousands 'are' rotting in jail. Social responsibility and rehabilitation are foreign words to them.

Killing someone is deserving of jail time. More than 2 months. More than 2 years.

A 13 year old girl is dead because she was assaulted for not cleaning the house well enough. What do you think would be an appropriate sentence for that crime?

Why are you bringing up the USA? Try and focus on the topic at hand without bringing up the USA straw-man.

Edited May 22, 2014 by The_Squid

[cybercoma]

Killing someone is deserving of jail time.

Did you read the article at all? Did you read the court's decision? If so do you understand the difference between manslaughter and murder?

[The_Squid]

Did you read the article at all? Did you read the court's decision? If so do you understand the difference between manslaughter and murder?

I did. And I do know the difference. I still do not think the punishment fits the crime.

An autopsy later concluded that the force of the blows likely caused her neck to twist in such a way that she ruptured an artery, cutting off the flow of blood and oxygen to the brain.

I'm not claiming he meant to kill her... but he struck a little girl so hard that it ruptured an artery in her neck! 2 months? That's a travesty...

and he gets to serve his sentence on weekends.

There was no justice for this young girl.

Edited May 22, 2014 by The_Squid

[Boges]

A parent accidentally losing his/her temper and hitting their kid hard and accidentally killing the kid isn't the story. That could happen to anyone. Though the reason he hit her is appalling.

The lead here is that a judge took the person's culture into consideration when deciding the sentence. That should be offensive to all Canadians. Does that mean that people don't have to face the same consequence for killing their kid if that type of behaviour is commonplace in their culture?

Talk about racism of lowered expectation!

Also the fact that his community rallied behind him and his other daughter said that God willed her to die is only evidence of how ass backward these type of cultures are.

This can go back to JT criticism the Conservatives over calling honour killings barbaric. The treatment of women in cultures like these are barbaric and should be universally condemned.

[Bonam]

Should have gotten 25 years. Also, his "culture" or lack thereof should not even have been brought up.

[cybercoma]

I'm not claiming he meant to kill her... but he struck a little girl so hard that it ruptured an artery in her neck! 2 months? That's a travesty...

and he gets to serve his sentence on weekends.

There was no justice for this young girl.

I like to watch the UFC. It's good fun. I've seen people punched and kicked in the face really hard. I've never seen anyone hit someone so hard that they ruptured a vein in another fighter's neck.

[cybercoma]

A parent accidentally losing his/her temper and hitting their kid hard and accidentally killing the kid isn't the story. That could happen to anyone. Though the reason he hit her is appalling.

The lead here is that a judge took the person's culture into consideration when deciding the sentence. That should be offensive to all Canadians. Does that mean that people don't have to face the same consequence for killing their kid if that type of behaviour is commonplace in their culture?

Talk about racism of lowered expectation!

Also the fact that his community rallied behind him and his other daughter said that God willed her to die is only evidence of how ass backward these type of cultures are.

This can go back to JT criticism the Conservatives over calling honour killings barbaric. The treatment of women in cultures like these are barbaric and should be universally condemned.

For some reason, I'm guessing the criminologists that were consulted and called for a lenient sentence weren't saying that it was God's will for her to die. The fact that she died is a tragedy, but her death was nothing more than a horrible accident. That's why it was manslaughter and not second degree murder. Do you think he's happy that his daughter died by his hand? Also, it's my understanding that his family testified that they would suffer undue hardship if he was locked away. I assume the intermittent sentence is due to him being the sole breadwinner of the family. There are lots of things to consider here.

For comparison, consider the case of Allyson McConnell who drowned both of her children in a bathtub and was given 15 months for manslaughter.

[Signals.Cpl]

I like to watch the UFC. It's good fun. I've seen people punched and kicked in the face really hard. I've never seen anyone hit someone so hard that they ruptured a vein in another fighter's neck.

Well turns out that this case does not involve trained fighters, or at least the young girl was not a trained fighter.

[Spiderfish]

Why are you bringing up the USA? Try and focus on the topic at hand without bringing up the USA straw-man.

This seems to be his mo...

A lot of the problem could be that we are too much in tune with what's happening south of our border where hundreds of thousands 'are' rotting in jail. Social responsibility and rehabilitation are foreign words to them.

And I equate incest with hillbillies for good reason. In the US it's Alabama I believe.

We are NOT the united states.

It's my opinion that no American has the credibility it requires to take part in a discussion on Canada's position ..

America has departed much too far from understanding human needs and reality.

As I said, in America. And in that country they still kill people for murdering a person.

We aren't interested in a situation similar to south of our border.

I'm speaking to you on the level as a Canadian and I have no doubt that it's going to go completely over an American's head.

[Spiderfish]

The fact that she died is a tragedy, but her death was nothing more than a horrible accident. That's why it was manslaughter and not second degree murder. Do you think he's happy that his daughter died by his hand? Also, it's my understanding that his family testified that they would suffer undue hardship if he was locked away. I assume the intermittent sentence is due to him being the sole breadwinner of the family. There are lots of things to consider here.

A tragedy, I agree. But a horrible accident, I don't know. How hard do you have to hit a person to "accidentally" kill them? My guess is pretty hard.

I'm sure he's quite remorseful after the fact, most people who kill in anger are.

[WWWTT]

This guy got off because of the cultural treatment of women in many Muslim homes.

That's a load of BS!

Back that opinion up with something!

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

This idiot should rot in jail.

You are responsible for the consequences once you decide to hit someone. 2 years that the crown was asking for is too lenient.

The guy is 74 and this was a freak accident.

Longer sentence won't bring her back or prevent this from happening again.

If anything, the extra media attention this is getting is sending out the message to be careful when punishing your children!

WWWTT

[The_Squid]

The guy is 74 and this was a freak accident.

Longer sentence won't bring her back or prevent this from happening again.

If anything, the extra media attention this is getting is sending out the message to be careful when punishing your children!

WWWTT

He accidentally hit her in the face... twice? LOL

Hitting someone hard enough to rupture an artery is no accident.

[WWWTT]

I'm not claiming he meant to kill her... but he struck a little girl so hard that it ruptured an artery in her neck!

Not necessarily true.

Could have been a freak odd motion and a peculiar weakness from the girl.

I have heard of people who got a broken leg from a funny body swing or twist.

This may be a similar case?

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

Hitting someone hard enough to rupture an artery is no accident.

Yes it is.

Guess you never got into any fights.

WWWTT

[Spiderfish]

Not necessarily true.

Could have been a freak odd motion and a peculiar weakness from the girl.

Yes... it's likely her fault for not being able to take a hit. Or it's the fault of unusual physiology. Come on.

What the hell was he doing hitting her at all???

[Spiderfish]

Yes it is.

Guess you never got into any fights.

WWWTT

Not with my kids!!

[The_Squid]

Yes... it's likely her fault for not being able to take a hit. Or it's the fault of unusual physiology. Come on.

What the hell was he doing hitting her at all???

Exactly. Blaming a 13 year old girl for not being able to take a punch is idiotic!

[WWWTT]

Yes... it's likely her fault for not being able to take a hit. Or it's the fault of unusual physiology. Come on.

What the hell was he doing hitting her at all???

If it was the girls fault then why was the father found guilty?

He was hitting her because he was disciplining her.

Never agreed with his method either.

Just trying to figure this one out.

WWWTT

[Spiderfish]

If it was the girls fault then why was the father found guilty?

It wasn't. I was being sarcastic.

I was responding to your speculation that it could have been the girl's weakness that caused such an unfortunate "accident". That notion is simply ridiculous.