Missing Aboriginal Women Enquiry?

[jacee]

It's not an opinion. The AFN got many changes to the education bill for example. All of that work - compromise - was killed by the most radical of chiefs.

There's relevant history here.

Many treaties and land 'surrenders' were accomplished (illegally) by seducing one 'chief', puffing him up with importance, isolating him from the community and providing incentives for him to sign away things that he didn't have the authority to.

This smelled of that, with Atleo the only one involved.

Any whiff of that just doesn't fly anymore.

The communities won't tolerate being left out of the process anymore.

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[Argus]

There's relevant history here.

Many treaties and land 'surrenders' were accomplished (illegally) by seducing one 'chief', puffing him up with importance, isolating him from the community and providing incentives for him to sign away things that he didn't have the authority to.

This smelled of that, with Atleo the only one involved.

The only one involved? Pardon? Atleo did the negotiations himself? There weren't a whole bunch of chiefs on board with the agreement?

[overthere]

This smelled of that, with Atleo the only one involved.

That is simply not true.

The AFN has melted down over this issue, and everybody was involved. If not this issue for a meltdown, it would have been something else and soon.

Even with a new leader coming soon, no organization can operate with 650 votes required for any decision, and no doubt many opting out after votes they perceive as not going their way.

So, it looks like a start over. The shame is not so much that the AFN itself is in deep trouble. It's that First Nations need a new form of governance at the national level to effectively negotiate at any level, much less nationally. I don't see that on the horizon, is there any individual or group that has general trust or credibility within the FN, a means to unite for common cause?

[Keepitsimple]

This smelled of that, with Atleo the only one involved.

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Jacee - there you go making stuff up again........it's not helpful.

[Griffith]

Argus, on 31 Aug 2014 - 10:00 AM, said:

But as we've already seen, the government has been willing to compromise. It's the chiefs who can't agree on anything except they want more money and power. And who does that help? Just them.

Argus, on 31 Aug 2014 - 11:33 AM, said: Well, let's put it this way. We know it originated with Aboriginal Affairs, a department which, unsurprisingly, is full of Aboriginals.

Frankly Argus, you seriously need to take a look at what you're saying critically.

First off, the vast majority of aboriginal and aboriginal chiefs who have been speaking about missing and murdered indiginous women have been united. The vast majority who have spoken out on this issue are united. You're plain wrong. Moreover, and this is the kicker, every single Premier of country, the leader of the Liberal party and the federal NDP are also united with the majority of indigenous leadership.

Second off, your promotion of stereotypes about aboriginal chiefs is repugnant. You pushing this idea that somehow aboriginal chief leaders are corrupt, while the white federal government is clean and competent, is one of the oldest stereotypes and lies in the book of colonialism. Honestly, please look into recent history of official policies towards indigenous people and their children.

As for your second comment, "Aboriginal Affairs, a department which, unsurprisingly, is full of Aboriginals." Heh. Interestingly enough, the Aboriginal Affairs has had an official policy of filling 50% of their staff with indigenous people. This policy and goal has been on the book for over a decade. They're still not there. So, no, again you're plain wrong - the majority of people in Aboriginal Affairs are not, in fact, aboriginal.

Though, evidence and racist stereotypes only go good together when you ramp up your confirmation bias and lower your critical gaze towards yourself (and the dominant group in our society).

Edited September 4, 2014 by Griffith

[jbg]

Second off, your promotion of stereotypes about aboriginal chiefs is repugnant. You pushing this idea that somehow aboriginal chief leaders are corrupt, while the white federal government is clean and competent, is one of the oldest stereotypes and lies in the book of colonialism. Honestly, please look into recent history of official policies towards indigenous people and their children.

Most stereotypes have significant elements of truth. I'm Jewish for example and will readily concede that most financial scandals in the private world involve Jews.

As for your second comment, "Aboriginal Affairs, a department which, unsurprisingly, is full of Aboriginals." Heh. Interestingly enough, the Aboriginal Affairs has had an official policy of filling 50% of their staff with indigenous people. This policy and goal has been on the book for over a decade. They're still not there. So, no, again you're plain wrong - the majority of people in Aboriginal Affairs are not, in fact, aboriginal.

That's still a high percentage compared to the general population. Edited September 4, 2014 by jbg

[Argus]

First off, the vast majority of aboriginal and aboriginal chiefs who have been speaking about missing and murdered indiginous women have been united. The vast majority who have spoken out on this issue are united. You're plain wrong. Moreover, and this is the kicker, every single Premier of country, the leader of the Liberal party and the federal NDP are also united with the majority of indigenous leadership.

To begin with, you appear to be responding to a discussion about the AFN breakup over the educational issue. It was that where the discussion was on the disarray and disunity among natives.

Second, I don't really care who is united on the 'issue' of why aboriginal women are being killed by aboriginal men. We already know about the cultural and economic factors on the reserve which cause high levels of drug and alcohol abuse, crime and family breakup. A bunch of petty politicians trying to launch an inquiry to push any decision making further down the road doesn't impress me. No one has been able to demonstrate how such an inquiry will help the situation of native violence.

Second off, your promotion of stereotypes about aboriginal chiefs is repugnant. You pushing this idea that somehow aboriginal chief leaders are corrupt, while the white federal government is clean and competent, is one of the oldest stereotypes and lies in the book of colonialism. Honestly, please look into recent history of official policies towards indigenous people and their children.

Ha! When have I ever made any reference to the competence of federal handling of native issues??

But it's undeniable that too much of the money which gets to the reserves winds up in the pockets of the chiefs, their friends and family, and fellow band council members, even while homes deteriorate and basic infrastructure, such as water treatment facilities, are not maintained.

As for your second comment, "Aboriginal Affairs, a department which, unsurprisingly, is full of Aboriginals." Heh. Interestingly enough, the Aboriginal Affairs has had an official policy of filling 50% of their staff with indigenous people. This policy and goal has been on the book for over a decade. They're still not there. So, no, again you're plain wrong - the majority of people in Aboriginal Affairs are not, in fact, aboriginal.

I didn't say the majority were aboriginal. I said there were an awful lot of aboriginals there. In other words, recommendations from this department aren't exactly coming from a group of Aryan blondes with no idea of the situation on reserves or what the issues are. Edited September 5, 2014 by Argus

[PIK]

This idea has died, I guess the left did not get the traction they thought they would. So dump it and move on. Nothing to do with the missing women, just trying to score pts off of something terrible.

[Bryan]

Must be using the hamas playbook.

Or the BCTF

[waldo]

This idea has died, I guess the left did not get the traction they thought they would. So dump it and move on. Nothing to do with the missing women, just trying to score pts off of something terrible.

try a googly... you'll be ecstatic, I'm sure! Several mainstream articles out there... you know, from the Media Party! This one's quite enlightening; based on a Freedom of Information request: seems one of Harper Conservative's own programs, "includes a focus on "addressing the root causes," despite the prime minister's suggestion that sociology isn't the right lens to use."

A July 8 draft report evaluating the program was largely positive about the program that works with remote First Nations communities to create collaborative safety plans and train and mobilize people to implement them.

But the report emphasized the views expressed by several communities that it was difficult to make headway without an initial discussion of the root causes of the problem of violence.

"Where these root causes have been more openly discussed and addressed in the mobilization and safety planning processes, community leaders and core committee members have been committed to the issues, willing to take risks in raising these issues, and staff and other community resources ... have had the skills and access to resources to take action," reads the report.

It went on to note that there is scant focus by federal programs on victims of sexual abuse and its link to violence against women.

Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney's office and the prime minister's office did not comment on the status of the program's objectives given the prime minister's statement.

Blaney has echoed Harper's framing of the missing and murdered aboriginal women issue as one of law and order.

you're welcome PIK

[Rocky Road]

http://www.leaderpost.com/touch/story.html?id=10206890