Public Education

[socialist]

Public education is absolutely necessary in order for democracy properly flourish. We are all benefactors of public education and an educated populace drives a nation's economy. I have to share a little picture I have. It is wise.

[bush_cheney2004]

....it is also American. Salute !

[socialist]

....it is also American. Salute !

True. A great American named John Dewey is often credited as the grandfather of public education in North America. A great man; a great American.

[BubberMiley]

Actually it originated in Russia before the U.S. even existed. Look up Ivan Betskoy.

[socialist]

Actually it originated in Russia before the U.S. even existed. Look up Ivan Betskoy.

Prussia to be exact. But John Dewey brought the Prussian model to North America. Look it up.

[BubberMiley]

Prussia to be exact.

Prussia to be incorrect.

[socialist]

Prussia to be incorrect.

John Dewey adopted the Prussian model. Look it up.

[BubberMiley]

There was public education in Russia 100 years before there was public education in Prussia. Look it up.

[bush_cheney2004]

Wrong on all counts....public education is traceable to pre-modern times in several parts of the world.

[BubberMiley]

Who said it wasn't? I was just pointing out that it isn't an "American" idea, as you suggested. Nice to see you acknowledge your error.

[bush_cheney2004]

Who said it wasn't? I was just pointing out that it isn't an "American" idea, as you suggested. Nice to see you acknowledge your error.

Wrong again...I stated no such thing. The OP is simply a quote from an American educator.

[BubberMiley]

I see. So when you said "it is American", I was supposed to interpret what you meant to say rather than what you said. I'm familiar with that line of debate in these forums. I can see how it beats admitting you're wrong. That would be devastating.

[bush_cheney2004]

I see. So when you said "it is American", I was supposed to interpret what you meant to say rather than what you said. I'm familiar with that line of debate in these forums. I can see how it beats admitting you're wrong. That would be devastating.

I don't care how you interpret this or anything else. You don't get to put words in other members' mouth. Cheers....

[overthere]

Public education is absolutely necessary in order for democracy properly flourish.

Many countries with floursihing, healthy democracies including India, UK, USA have plenty of private or semi-private education and those are strong democracies.

I support public eduction because it serves the most people for the least cost, but cringe at the 'absolutely necessaary' generalization.

[socialist]

Many countries with floursihing, healthy democracies including India, UK, USA have plenty of private or semi-private education and those are strong democracies.

I support public eduction because it serves the most people for the least cost, but cringe at the 'absolutely necessaary' generalization.

Without public education w would see democracy falter. Private schools create inequality and they are not healthy for democracy.

[overthere]

Without public education w would see democracy falter

yes, you keep saying that but provide nothing at all to back it up. Did you read that slogan on a Tshirt and liked the rhythym?

I provided examples of three large and healthy democracies that have signifcant private education components. I'll give you examples of another side of it: Cuba has a totalitarian government and a strong public education system with high degree of literacy. Kerala, a state in India, has had a communist govt for decades and has a very high literacy rate in the world. China has a public school system, high rate of literacy and makes little pretence at democracy.

Your turn to provide examples oif how and why you think public education required for a democracy to be strong.

Edited December 17, 2013 by overthere

[socialist]

yes, you keep saying that but provide nothing at all to back it up. Did you read that slogan on a Tshirt and liked the rhythym?

I provided examples of three large and healthy democracies that have signifcant private education components. I'll give you examples of another side of it: Cuba has a totalitarian government and a strong public education system with high degree of literacy. Kerala, a state in India, has had a communist govt for decades and has a very high literacy rate in the world. China has a public school system, high rate of literacy and makes little pretence at democracy.

Your turn to provide examples oif how and why you think public education required for a democracy to be strong.

Public education is leader in promoting social justice. Take a look at Alberta's Framework for Student Learning. This is awesome if you understand 21st century skills. This is why public education is necessary.

[GostHacked]

Wrong again...I stated no such thing. The OP is simply a quote from an American educator.

You are wrong. Watch out for those forum rules notion that you seem to love to trot out as of late.

....it is also American. Salute !

You lied! Salute !

Edited December 17, 2013 by GostHacked

[GostHacked]

But you heard it here first form the troll Socialist.

He is admitting that public education is NOT for the benefit of your child or the parents. Never was never will be. And ye he advocates for discovery learning. He knows that is not for the benefit of the child, no matter how much he fakes it.

This is a dangerous message.

[overthere]

Public education is leader in promoting social justice.

Cuba and China have strong public education systems, but very little in the way of personal freedom, democracy or 'spocial justice'.

Explain the contradiction.

Take your time.

You still have not made any connection between public education and the strength of a democracy. Any timetable on when that might happen?

[overthere]

Without public education w would see democracy falter. Private schools create inequality and they are not healthy for democracy.

I have given multiple examples that demonstarate the opposite, from both ends of the political spectrum.

You just keep squawking the same things like some kind of gigantic parrot.

[guyser]

yes, you keep saying that but provide nothing at all to back it up. Did you read that slogan on a Tshirt and liked the rhythym?

To some degree, like a broken clock, he is correct about the democracy angle.

I provided examples of three large and healthy democracies that have signifcant private education components.

Of which one is a horrible example of 74% literacy.

Now what?

Edited December 17, 2013 by Guyser2

[socialist]

But you heard it here first form the troll Socialist.

He is admitting that public education is NOT for the benefit of your child or the parents. Never was never will be. And ye he advocates for discovery learning. He knows that is not for the benefit of the child, no matter how much he fakes it.

This is a dangerous message.

Dangerous? are you delusional? Do you even understand the concept of a properly functioning society? Read the graphic in my original post, and pay attention to the end. Public education is for the good of a BETTER SOCIETY. The collective is what is important.

[overthere]

"Of which one is a horrible example of 74% literacy.

Now what? "

Where was that?

I used US UK and India as places that are functioning democracies with significant private education components, which cointradicts his assertion that democracy and private education are not compatible. They are, or can be. Those countries also have public systems in place, but not exclusively

I used Cuba and Kerala(the only communist state in India) as examples of communist governments that have wonderful rates of literacy within a public education system: 99% in Cuba and 93% in Kerala. China is around 95% adult literacy in a decidely non democratic environment.

[socialist]

I have given multiple examples that demonstarate the opposite, from both ends of the political spectrum.

You just keep squawking the same things like some kind of gigantic parrot.

This may interest you if you can comprehend it. The Ultimate Public School Advantage: DEMOCRACY!

http://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2011/04/08/the_ultimate_public_school_advantage_democracy.html