Ontario hydro rates

[TimG]

Interesting...the USA's DoE NREL didn't seem to focus on Canada so much...for instance:

Also the NREL speculation is meaningless given the real problems that Germany has integrating renewables into their network. Gas plant providers are now demanding government subsidies because they cannot operate their backup generators profitably because they get pre-empted by wind. Of course more subsidies means German consumers get shafted even more by the clueless greens.

[waldo]

Also the NREL speculation is meaningless given the real problems that Germany has integrating renewables into their network. Gas plant providers are now demanding government subsidies because they cannot operate their backup generators profitably because they get pre-empted by wind. Of course more subsidies means German consumers get shafted even more by the clueless greens.

BS - you've repeatedly made claims concerning Germany... those claims have been shown to be baseless in other MLW threads - and yet you continue repeating your same unsubstantiated opinion... your same repeated refuted/debunked nonsense!

nice to read you quote the troll who has nothing else to contribute other than making sure he gets his ultra-sensitivities stroked! USA!, USA!, USA! Imagine... as played out now over a brazillion MLW threads... imagine, someone having the audacity to quote from U.S. sources! Yes, the T R O L L continues his charade!

Edited January 7, 2014 by waldo

[bush_cheney2004]

... imagine, someone having the audacity to quote from U.S. sources! Yes, the T R O L L continues his charade!

Not hard to imagine....as irrelevant references to U.S. investment, research, and reports are often mistakenly invoked here and elsewhere on MLW for discussions about policies in Canada, from F-35s to wind energy. I guess it is harder to find actual Canadian sourced references.

[waldo]

Not hard to imagine....as irrelevant references to U.S. investment, research, and reports are often mistakenly invoked here and elsewhere on MLW for discussions about policies in Canada, from F-35s to wind energy. I guess it is harder to find actual Canadian sourced references.

given the previous quote reference, I've momentarily removed my ignore of your repeated useless contributions. On this same topic, repeatedly touched upon many times over now, as I've repeatedly indulged your lack of confidence, your ultra-sensitivities and your lack of self-esteem over..... I've repeatedly told you I give a rats-patooey over your whiney pissant trolling posts that have nothing to contribute... other than you highlighting that a source reference linked/quoted is from a U.S. source. USA! USA! USA! Once again, reading someone else quote your ongoing trolling efforts... that's gold Jerry, real gold!

[bush_cheney2004]

given the previous quote reference, I've momentarily removed my ignore of your repeated useless contributions. On this same topic, repeatedly touched upon many times over now, as I've repeatedly indulged your lack of confidence, your ultra-sensitivities and your lack of self-esteem over....

This is not responsive to the on topic observation that American DoE NREL wind/solar infrastructure does not apply to Canada or Ontario hydro rates. Repeated references to U.S. research and datasets for domestic issues implies a lack of Canadian sources or inability to find them.

. I've repeatedly told you I give a rats-patooey over your whiney pissant trolling posts that have nothing to contribute... other than you highlighting that a source reference linked/quoted is from a U.S. source. USA! USA! USA! Once again, reading someone else quote your ongoing trolling efforts... that's gold Jerry, real gold!

See above, as the reference is largely irrelevant to wind/solar infrastructure integration in Canada and does not present itself that way, despite attempts to once again invoke such references out of context for a personal agenda.

[waldo]

This is not responsive to the on topic observation that American DoE NREL wind/solar infrastructure does not apply to Canada or Ontario hydro rates. Repeated references to U.S. research and datasets for domestic issues implies a lack of Canadian sources or inability to find them.

See above, as the reference is largely irrelevant to wind/solar infrastructure integration in Canada and does not present itself that way, despite attempts to once again invoke such references out of context for a personal agenda.

the source was fully identified and reflects upon a recent NREL study. If someone thinks the source key findings can't be translated elsewhere, the option is available for someone to dispute the key findings in that regard... dispute with appropriate qualification. Of course, your trolling effort is simply a continuation of a point you've made a thousand times over..... a point you feel you must continue to make..... a point you make in the absence of actually contributing real substantive input to the thread discussion. It's what you do - it's what trolls do.

oh.... almost forgot... USA! USA! USA!

on edit: I note you didn't admonish MLW member TimG for drawing a reference to Germany... a reference he's also made many times over. Following your trolling nonsense, why didn't you admonish MLW member TimG for presuming to make a translation from Germany to Canada... from Germany to an 'at large comparison'? Is your selective admonishment limited only to your personal concerns over your (claimed) country? Why so selective, hey?

Edited January 7, 2014 by waldo

[bush_cheney2004]

the source was fully identified and reflects upon a recent NREL study. If someone thinks the source key findings can't be translated elsewhere, the option is available for someone to dispute the key findings in that regard... dispute with appropriate qualification.

No, as the burden to demonstrate relevance to Canadian, or more specifically Ontario's wind/solar infrastructure falls on those making such unqualified references. This is a repeating pattern demonstrated by members who are unwilling or unable to make such important distinctions in their haste to continue "climate change" evangelizing regardless of sources, content, and exclusions.

[waldo]

No, as the burden to demonstrate relevance to Canadian, or more specifically Ontario's wind/solar infrastructure falls on those making such unqualified references. This is a repeating pattern demonstrated by members who are unwilling or unable to make such important distinctions in their haste to continue "climate change" evangelizing regardless of sources, content, and exclusions.

please... carry your admonishment over to MLW member TimG! Clearly, per norm, not only did he not substantiate his claims concerning Germany, he did not, as you say, "demonstrate relevance to Canadian, or more specifically Ontario's wind/solar infrastructure".

will we need to wait long for this, for your missing admonishing post to MLW member TimG?

in any case, as before, as always, you are a waste of time and contribute nothing to the discussion at hand. As before, as always, I give a rats-patooey over what you think or why you must continue to fuel your incessant need to highlight U.S. sources are being drawn upon.

on edit: time to put you back on ignore!

Edited January 7, 2014 by waldo

[bush_cheney2004]

please... carry your admonishment over to MLW member TimG! Clearly, per norm, not only did he not substantiate his claims concerning Germany, he did not, as you say, "demonstrate relevance to Canadian, or more specifically Ontario's wind/solar infrastructure".

will we need to wait long for this, for your missing admonishing post to MLW member TimG?

in any case, as before, as always, you are a waste of time and contribute nothing to the discussion at hand. As before, as always, I give a rats-patooey over what you think or why you must continue to fuel your incessant need to highlight U.S. sources are being drawn upon.

This is off topic and not responsive. Solicitations for "admonishments" by/for other members deflects from the noted NREL sourced discrepancy regardless of references to Germany, which were previously made in the narrow context of the German energy sector and economy without unqualified and irrelevant application to Canada/Ontario.

Edited January 7, 2014 by bush_cheney2004