Argus Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 Really, Argus? They're on such a long leash that they can operate within the government of foreign countries without the PM's knowledge? Absolutely. Do you think Foreign Affairs gives the PM day to day reports on everything their people are doing in every country around the world? Do you think Industry Canada gives him a breakdown on every company they're helping and every country they're helping them in? And as I said, there's precious little evidence they did anything but run a gaming out exercise, and no logical reason anyone has come up with as to why they would care what the Brazilians were doing. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hudson Jones Posted October 18, 2013 Report Posted October 18, 2013 (edited) Absolutely. Do you think Foreign Affairs gives the PM day to day reports on everything their people are doing in every country around the world? Do you think Industry Canada gives him a breakdown on every company they're helping and every country they're helping them in? And as I said, there's precious little evidence they did anything but run a gaming out exercise, and no logical reason anyone has come up with as to why they would care what the Brazilians were doing. Do you think Harper, despite having close ties to the energy industry all his life would ever ask Canada's spy agency to spy for these private energy companies? You don't think Harper is not capable of lying about not knowing about this? Why are you so quick to jump up and believe Harper, despite having been caught lying several times. Latest being the Duffy scandal. Harper should pay for all of these scandals around him, which, ultimately, he is responsible for. What kind of a leader allows so much of this to happen and then plead innocence when they are revealed. What kind of a leader is Harper? Edited October 18, 2013 by Hudson Jones Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest Derek L Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 Do you think Harper, despite having close ties to the energy industry all his life would ever ask Canada's spy agency to spy for these private energy companies? You don't think Harper is not capable of lying about not knowing about this? Why are you so quick to jump up and believe Harper, despite having been caught lying several times. Latest being the Duffy scandal. Harper should pay for all of these scandals around him, which, ultimately, he is responsible for. What kind of a leader allows so much of this to happen and then plead innocence when they are revealed. What kind of a leader is Harper? And what close ties are those? Quote
Argus Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 Do you think Harper, despite having close ties to the energy industry all his life would ever ask Canada's spy agency to spy for these private energy companies? You don't think Harper is not capable of lying about not knowing about this? Why are you so quick to jump up and believe Harper, despite having been caught lying several times. Latest being the Duffy scandal. When it comes to believing the likelihood of something for which there is little evidence I try to look at things from a logical perspective. Gain and loss, up and down. I see little benefit for Harper in getting our spy agencies to pass on secret information from foreign governments. More importantly, as I said in the other thread, I see no possible way that could be done without someone in those companies blabbing about it, probably almost immediately. As the saying goes, two can keep a secret when one is dead. The idea CSIS or CSEC would spy on the Brazliians and then regularly hold meeting with and brief a bunch of Canadian companies on this information beggars belief. CSEC wouldn't want to do it, and if they did, someone in one of those companies would be certain to talk about it. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Hudson Jones Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 And what close ties are those? I rather you read about it, rather than me typing it: http://deepclimate.org/2012/01/13/ethical-oil-political-connections-part-1-conservatives-go-newclear/ Why even question whether Harper has close ties with these companies? Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 When it comes to believing the likelihood of something for which there is little evidence I try to look at things from a logical perspective. Gain and loss, up and down. I see little benefit for Harper in getting our spy agencies to pass on secret information from foreign governments. They didn't expect to be caught. It was Edward Snowden who revealed this information. If Snowden had not revealed this information, they would have gotten away with it. So please, try a little harder to look at things from a logical perspective. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Guest Derek L Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 I rather you read about it, rather than me typing it: http://deepclimate.org/2012/01/13/ethical-oil-political-connections-part-1-conservatives-go-newclear/ Why even question whether Harper has close ties with these companies? I read the link........I'll ask again, what "ties" does the Prime Minister have with the energy industry? Fore your link to a "blog" does not make that clear either...Care to back-up your statement with some sort of "source"? What ties, as per your claim, does Prime Minister Stephen Harper have with the energy industry? Quote
Argus Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 They didn't expect to be caught. It was Edward Snowden who revealed this information. If Snowden had not revealed this information, they would have gotten away with it. So please, try a little harder to look at things from a logical perspective. They didn't, eh? They expected to pass secret information obtained from another government to a passel of private sector companies on a regular basis and they didn't expect anyone to find out about it? Ludicrous nonsense.Something like that would be all over the industry within weeks, and then in the media. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted October 19, 2013 Report Posted October 19, 2013 The idea that a super secret military spy agency is working for the mining industry is...well....pretty far fetched. Quote
bleeding heart Posted October 20, 2013 Report Posted October 20, 2013 Like I said , nobody admits to it and what harper is upset about is getting caught And don't tell me to get a grip hudson does nothing but post hatred on this board. Hey, you're the only one here who is eagerly advocating for murder, so....well, it is what it is. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted October 20, 2013 Report Posted October 20, 2013 Now you are just being stupid here. And you think obama know what every agency is doing???? I love how when it comes to harper people expect him to be every at once looking over people shoulders. The media in this country has done a great job of uneducating people. ??? But you were just--here in this thread--congratulating Harper on this matter. Talk about wanting it both ways! Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
eyeball Posted October 20, 2013 Report Posted October 20, 2013 The idea that a super secret military spy agency is working for the mining industry is...well....pretty far fetched. Like the idea that big governments tilt playing fields towards their buddies? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Argus Posted October 20, 2013 Report Posted October 20, 2013 Like the idea that big governments tilt playing fields towards their buddies? It couldn't be kept secret. Not in Canada. Not when company executives move back and forth throughout the industry and out of it all the time. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
eyeball Posted October 20, 2013 Report Posted October 20, 2013 Secret? The sycophants seem downright proud of Ottawa for doing it. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
AlienB Posted October 21, 2013 Report Posted October 21, 2013 (edited) Brazil is a major player - future superpower they are suggested new permanent members of the security council alongside India. They will continue to be of major interest. While they are not a military super power, they are atleast in the same class of Canada. The very least atleast Brazil now knows its systems were not secure, and they will probably improve their level of security. Since Brazil is a catholic nation chances are there will be some longterm fallout, however, it doesn't appear the issue is of major concern, but the act was undoubtedly offensive. Brazil is a medium power and rising. With a military some 5 times the size of Canada, or perhaps something like that. Economically it is also a rising power. Canadian companies are also active. There is little doubt there are interest for foreign bribing know who is playing and knowing what Canadian companies are up to, as well as the developments of resource sectors. However, it was more than just energy, it was to exploit any and all exploits that were of interest, they were open for business. Did it happen, who knows? The CSE, it could be a false flag. plausible deniability. Undoubtedly Venezuela is on the potential enemies of Nato (US) list due to its alignment. But these scenarios are rare. It would make sense to know what the guy is up to if he could kill you. "Brazil has the most powerful military of South America." None the less the full extent of the CSE's foreign spying activities, are anyones guess. The NSA just built a massive new facility, and its not like they don't have others. Canada at best appears to be targeted activities, while the NSA is in the total realm. The fact, if true, the CSE spied on a foreign government begs to question what other governments are they spying on? It is also a bit of an embarrassment to any security officials. Edited October 21, 2013 by AlienB Quote
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