Israel's 10 year racist law anniversary

[Hudson Jones]

Israel goes against international law, its own agreements with the U.S. and the Fab 4 and begins settlements just days before talks are supposed to start and you have the nerve to blame this on the Palestinians?

It wouldn't be happening if the Palestinians had spent the last 45 years doing something productive rather than plotting Israel's destruction.

Like what?

For Arafat and the PLO to accept the state of Israel? Oh wait, they did that.

To sign the Oslo accord? Oh wait, they did that. Though, I wouldn't really call that productive.

Maybe they could do something "productive" like Israel and start building illegal settlements that undermine any process in negotiations.

Edited August 12, 2013 by Hudson Jones

[DogOnPorch]

Israel goes against international law, its own agreements with the U.S. and the Fab 4 and begins settlements just days before talks are supposed to start and you have the nerve to blame this on the Palestinians?

Like what?

For Arafat and the PLO to accept the state of Israel? Oh wait, they did that.

To sign the Oslo accord? Oh wait, they did that. Though, I wouldn't really call that productive.

Maybe they could do something "productive" like Israel and start building illegal settlements that undermine any process in negotiations.

Perhaps they could learn basic sanitation so that their raw sewage doesn't end-up in the Dead Sea.

[jbg]

Israel goes against international law, its own agreements with the U.S. and the Fab 4 and begins settlements just days before talks are supposed to start and you have the nerve to blame this on the Palestinians?

Like what?

For Arafat and the PLO to accept the state of Israel? Oh wait, they did that.

To sign the Oslo accord? Oh wait, they did that. Though, I wouldn't really call that productive.

Maybe they could do something "productive" like Israel and start building illegal settlements that undermine any process in negotiations.

Where have you been since late July? I've missed you.

[Hudson Jones]

Perhaps they could learn basic sanitation so that their raw sewage doesn't end-up in the Dead Sea.

Time to learn a few things about the illegal Jewish settlements, you know, the elephant in the room, that every one of you pretends is not there.

Israeli Settlers dump sewage on Palestinian farmland near Bethlehem

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One-third of Israeli settlements' sewage facilities not up to code

2.2. million cubic meters a year of sewage flow directly into waterways or cesspits in Israel's West Bank communities.

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[DogOnPorch]

Time to learn a few things about the illegal Jewish settlements, you know, the elephant in the room, that every one of you pretends is not there.

Israeli Settlers dump sewage on Palestinian farmland near Bethlehem

Link

One-third of Israeli settlements' sewage facilities not up to code

2.2. million cubic meters a year of sewage flow directly into waterways or cesspits in Israel's West Bank communities.

Link

Everybody is polluting the West Bank...not just Jewish settlers. Most WB communities have no proper sewage system. As a result, the wadis leading to the Dead Sea and the Jordan run with raw sewage. Way too many people live in the area for nature alone to handle. And no...if the settlers simply go away as you'd prefer, it won't suddenly get better. In fact, the Arab communities would be smart to co-operate with the better established Jewish settlements that do have proper sewage systems in order to learn how to remove human waste properly and safely.

[GostHacked]

Perhaps they could learn basic sanitation so that their raw sewage doesn't end-up in the Dead Sea.

They would but there is this thing called a blockade preventing some building materials to enter the occupied territories.

[DogOnPorch]

They would but there is this thing called a blockade preventing some building materials to enter the occupied territories.

The West Bank isn't the Gaza Strip.

[GostHacked]

The West Bank isn't the Gaza Strip.

And? Is there a blockade or not?

[DogOnPorch]

And? Is there a blockade or not?

You apparently don't know. If you're going to discuss the situation...discuss it. This isn't GH's interrogation chamber.

[GostHacked]

You apparently don't know. If you're going to discuss the situation...discuss it. This isn't GH's interrogation chamber.

Well, in order for me to discuss it on any level with you and a few select others, I thought I would try a different approach and ask questions. But now that is treated as an interrogation? Damn, like I can do no right here at all.

So how does the blockade on Gaza effect the West Bank? I thought I would ask the 'experts' here instead of making myself look stupid again.

[DogOnPorch]

Well, in order for me to discuss it on any level with you and a few select others, I thought I would try a different approach and ask questions. But now that is treated as an interrogation? Damn, like I can do no right here at all.

So how does the blockade on Gaza effect the West Bank? I thought I would ask the 'experts' here instead of making myself look stupid again.

You do not respect my opinion and you don't know enough to make a comment on the situation. So you might as well go back to a Rob Ford thread or whatever else it is you do at MLW.

[GostHacked]

You do not respect my opinion and you don't know enough to make a comment on the situation. So you might as well go back to a Rob Ford thread or whatever else it is you do at MLW.

Ok.

[Hudson Jones]

Don't worry about DogOnPorch and his bullying. His information is fueled by selective wikipedia information and anti-Palestinian sites. He really doesn't know much and this is apparent in a lot of his posts. There is a lot of information to digest, especially when it comes to this conflict. So don't let him stop you.

Just a few posts ago, DoP learned that the illegal Jewish settlers dump sewage onto Palestinian land and water after accusing the Palestinians of not learning 'basic sanitation', which was a way for him to put down the Palestinians. Like the Palestinians are too stupid and dirty to do something like that, leaving out the circumstances around the issue. But of course, after learning about the Jewish settlers and their sewage dumping, he didn't acknowledge this because his ego got hurt.

[DogOnPorch]

Don't worry about DogOnPorch and his bullying. His information is fueled by selective wikipedia information and anti-Palestinian sites. He really doesn't know much and this is apparent in a lot of his posts. There is a lot of information to digest, especially when it comes to this conflict. So don't let him stop you.

Just a few posts ago, DoP learned that the illegal Jewish settlers dump sewage onto Palestinian land and water after accusing the Palestinians of not learning 'basic sanitation', which was a way for him to put down the Palestinians. Like the Palestinians are too stupid and dirty to do something like that, leaving out the circumstances around the issue. But of course, after learning about the Jewish settlers and their sewage dumping, he didn't acknowledge this because his ego got hurt.

Nonsense, I've pushed this issue several times at MLW...here was one of my initial video posts from those initial threads.

Your vain attempts at character assassination will not change the fact the over 80% of of ALL settlements...both Jewish and Arab...have little better than Medieval methods of sewage treatment. As I mentioned, the Arabs would be smart to be buddy-up with the Jewish settlers and build a proper system for the entire area. I realize that this is distasteful for you, but as I'm one of the few here that will even treat with your ilk, you'd be wise to discuss rather than do even more disservice than you already are for your Palestinian Arab friends. Just think of the 'peace dividends'...unless peace isn't really what you're after.

Good news, though...the fellows that murdered Ian Feinberg are being/were released. You might recall (or not...I'm old enough to remember) he was a Jewish lawyer-aid worker doing pro bono legal work for Gaza residents when some of the folks you've been championing burst into his meeting and cut him into tiny pieces with axes. Like Samir Kuntar, they were greeted as returning heroes. It must have been quite the party.

As for GH, he gets basic facts about the conflict WRONG making it very difficult to have any sort of discussion. If he gets mad at "not knowing", he runs to the mods like a child trying to get me banned. Tiresome.

[GostHacked]

As for GH, he gets basic facts about the conflict WRONG making it very difficult to have any sort of discussion. If he gets mad at "not knowing", he runs to the mods like a child trying to get me banned. Tiresome.

It's not like you told me to go hug a suicide bomber on several occasions.

It's not like you constantly twist my argument into something that I never stated even after multiple clarifications.

You do not respect my opinion and you don't know enough to make a comment on the situation. So you might as well go back to a Rob Ford thread or whatever else it is you do at MLW.

It's not so much your opinion I do not respect, as I do not respect you as a poster. Respect goes both ways. You are civl to me in the few other threads we participate in, but treat me like absolute crap on matters of Israel-Palestine. Why the double standard? I got tired of your personal attacks and other things that did not further a dicussion. I never hit the report based on your facts or opinions, but simply on how you carried yourself through some of these interactions with me and well, forum rule violations.

Anyways, I'll go back to the Ford thread, or whatever else it is I do on MLW. In the end, each time I spent time in the cooler I deserved it. Man up, dude, and own it. Plain and simple.

[DogOnPorch]

It's not like you told me to go hug a suicide bomber on several occasions.

It's not like you constantly twist my argument into something that I never stated even after multiple clarifications.

It's not so much your opinion I do not respect, as I do not respect you as a poster. Respect goes both ways. You are civl to me in the few other threads we participate in, but treat me like absolute crap on matters of Israel-Palestine. Why the double standard? I got tired of your personal attacks and other things that did not further a dicussion. I never hit the report based on your facts or opinions, but simply on how you carried yourself through some of these interactions with me and well, forum rule violations.

Anyways, I'll go back to the Ford thread, or whatever else it is I do on MLW. In the end, each time I spent time in the cooler I deserved it. Man up, dude, and own it. Plain and simple.

I've spent more time in the Cooler for dubious reasons over the last year or so that it's quite ridiculous. Reporting and banning have gutted this once very lively form. When there's nobody left to disagree with...what's the point, eh? You were once on my friends list...

As for Hudson, if you don't see that he and his CJPME stooges have an agenda that goes beyond mere forum discussion, that's more your problem than mine. As you probably recall, my interest in the Arab-Israeli conflict is due to family connections with a certain Arab leader rather than any big love for crazy Jewish settlers.

Since this is a time of peace, let me make the first unilateral move...

Gosthacked, I'm sorry for telling you to "go hug a terrorist". That was a long time ago, apparently, as search doesn't bring-up the actual post. There...it's done. Now let us travel together into brighter, sunlit pastures...

[Hudson Jones]

Your vain attempts at character assassination

Followed by:

when some of the folks you've been championing burst into his meeting and cut him into tiny pieces with axes.

Back on block you go Mr. Silly Pants.

[DogOnPorch]

Followed by:

Back on block you go Mr. Silly Pants.

Oh...they're your guys. They do your dirty work so that ideologues such as yourself don't have to get their hands sullied.

[jbg]

Back on block you go Mr. Silly Pants.

Is that your strongest point?

[GostHacked]

DogOnPorch, on 14 Aug 2013 - 5:42 PM, said:

Gosthacked, I'm sorry for telling you to "go hug a terrorist". That was a long time ago, apparently, as search doesn't bring-up the actual post. There...it's done. Now let us travel together into brighter, sunlit pastures...

Negative, the olive branch was extended before. I came to YOU after all that and still get treated like that. So no, I'll fly solo thank you.

Edited August 15, 2013 by GostHacked

[DogOnPorch]

Negative, the olive branch was extended before. I came to YOU after all that and still get treated like that. So no, I'll fly solo thank you.

Fine...war it is. But, do recall my public apology the next time you get yet another Middle East fact incorrect. Think of it as your Gettysburg Address. That will, no doubt, go well over your head...intentionally.

[GostHacked]

Fine...war it is. But, do recall my public apology the next time you get yet another Middle East fact incorrect. Think of it as your Gettysburg Address. That will, no doubt, go well over your head...intentionally.

War? I prefer peace. So I'll leave this thread now and go back to whatever it is I do on MLW.

[Rue]

War? I prefer peace. So I'll leave this thread now and go back to whatever it is I do on MLW.

I disagree with much of what you argue but I respect your right to argue it and so does Dog. We are all heated in our arguements. You are no victim and neither is he. You both can handle yourselves. I read both of you. I disagree with many things JBG says and I have been down right venemous at certain things he has said but I read everything he says and always will. I am saying I regret when I get venemous with you, JBG or anyone but I am telling you this-I will not rest until each and every H Jones post is responded to by one of us or others and exposed for that they are.

You want an apology it can come from me. No one else needs to apologize on this forum. Not you, not him not JBG not anyone. But H Jones responses I will now deal with.

[Rue]

Don't worry about DogOnPorch and his bullying. His information is fueled by selective wikipedia information and anti-Palestinian sites. He really doesn't know much and this is apparent in a lot of his posts. There is a lot of information to digest, especially when it comes to this conflict. So don't let him stop you.

Just a few posts ago, DoP learned that the illegal Jewish settlers dump sewage onto Palestinian land and water after accusing the Palestinians of not learning 'basic sanitation', which was a way for him to put down the Palestinians. Like the Palestinians are too stupid and dirty to do something like that, leaving out the circumstances around the issue. But of course, after learning about the Jewish settlers and their sewage dumping, he didn't acknowledge this because his ego got hurt.

You once again engage in misrepresentation of an issue on the ground on the West Bank as well as misrepresent what Dog on Porch stated.

People can read back the posts to see what he stated. As for your continued attempt to misrepresent that Jewish settlers dump sewage onto Palestinian land and water it was clearly repudiated. Your tactic was to ignore when it was repudiated and now repeat the false allegation again. It is what you do.

You engage in the exercise of repeating misinformation over and over in cycles trying to pass off your propoganda as absolute fact to be unquestioned.

This article clearly exposes your latest misrepresentation. The sewage problem on the West Bank is not and has never been limited to simply jews dumping sewage on Palestinians. That however is what you do-take an actual environmental issue faced by both Israelis and Palestinians and misrepresent it to incite hatred against not just Israelis BUT JEWS by Palestinians and everyone else.

http://forward.com/articles/179462/settlers-and-palestinians-alike-spew-sewage-in-fra/?p=all

I am now out and out calling your latest misrepresentation out:

The facts you have deliberately refused to disclose are:

1-that the Palestinian Authority’s development of sewage facilities has been exceedingly slow, and almost all its sewage — around 96%, according to both Israel and the Palestinians — is released, untreated, into the environment as stated in this article;

2-Israel's Water Authority has openly stated that Israeli settlements growing faster than their sewage infrastructure system has resulted in raw sewage being dumped into the fresh water supplies.

BOTH Palestinians and Israelis on the West Bank have a sewage crisis. In fact less sewage is being leaked from Israeli settlements than Palestinian homes but so what.

The fact is in all Middle East countries, particularly Israel, Jordan and the West Bank all in close proximity to one another, the sewage systems are antiquated for all their populations. All three peoples need to work together on this issue.

To do what H Jones does and try deliberately twist this issue to be something only Israel does as a weapon against Palestinians is precisely the kind

of misrepresentations the H Jones site does on this and other forums-it is dedicated to issuing false representations designed to get Palestinians and

Israelis to hate each other and the deliberate choice to describe settlers as Jewish and not Israeli shows another typical exercise the H Jones sight engages in designed to incite hatred against ALL Jews. Why does he say JEWISH settlers but then calls Palestinians just that and not MUSLIMS.

Why does he use the word Jewish instead of Israeli? Why the constant switching of nationality for religion? Why? The tactics are standard disinformation tactics the Syrian Ministry of Communications has engaged in since 1948. Use the word Jewish when you mean Israeli. Make Jew and Israeli synonomous. That way you can attack all Jews as well not just the Israelis on the West Bank and most importantly it fulfills the agenda to mix on non Israeli Jewish inhabitants on the West Bank with Israeli ones. The H Jones is fully aware one third of Jews on the West Bank are not Israeli and do not want to be Israeli but when his site says Jewish settlers he can get at them at the same time because what his site won't tell you is its agenda is to rid the West Bank of its non Israeli Jews as well. He also won't tell you that The majority of Israeli settlements are not leaking sewage. The government in Israel says its about 13% of its settlements, environmental groups have estimated it at about 20 or 25% and the Israeli Water Authority has said its higher than 13% but they do not know how high it is but have reported any amount of leakage is dangerous and must be addressed.

The Israeli government can not control Palestinian residents who have no sewage system. The Palestinian Authority chose to take the foreign aid earmarked for sewage systems and steal it away from its people. That is the legacy of the Palestinian Authority H Jones will not discuss.

The H Jones site will also not acknowledge that Israel funded indirectly through Muslim Brotherhood charities affiliated with Hamas, a sewage system in Gaza and funded its construction but when the Syrian wing of Hamas wrestled control away from the Egyptian wing, it blew up the sewage system as a warning to Gaza citizens never to work with Israelis.

The H Jones site can spin all the misrepresentations it wants I will expose them. Information desk full of pathetic amateurs.

[Rue]

Contrary to the H Jones site which implies Israel simply dumps sewage and doesn't care-it does react:

http://www.ewash.org/en/?view=79YOcy0nNs3Du69tjVnyyumIu1jfxPKNuunzXkRpKQNyJwdsTTGG