PMO paid for Duffy's fraud

[guyser]

Anyways, yes I agree claims of Harper or anyone else's involvement beyond Wright and Duffy is speculation at this point. That's why there will be an investigation to look into the dealing.

Does anyone think that Harper didnt know a thing about this deal?

All I am saying is he had to have been informed. Right or wrong doesnt play into it........yet, just asking if anyone thinks it was created w'o knowledge of Harper.

[guyser]

. And IMO this secret adgenda by the NDP to scream foul on everything is getting tiresome.

Hmm....heck of a way to keep a secret...scream in public about it.

[Guest Derek L]

I've asked these of the CPC supporters here with no answers forthcoming.... it's like you guys didn't read that part of my posts! lol But staunch conservative (and friend of Wright) Andrew Coyne (one of your talking heads) wonders the same things:

What do the CPC supporters suppose Duffy meant by the gov't going easy on him?

Why did the PMO order him not to cooperate with the audit?

"Here's your money.... don't cooperate with the audit... and we'll go easy on you"...

Yeah, no issues there whatsoever! LOL

I would speculate that they allow him to retire, at some point, well still sitting in the Tory benches of the Senate, as opposed to getting the Boot.

[Guest Derek L]

Does anyone think that Harper didnt know a thing about this deal?

All I am saying is he had to have been informed. Right or wrong doesnt play into it........yet, just asking if anyone thinks it was created w'o knowledge of Harper.

Global news last night, from their sources in the PMO, said that the Prime Minister was told by Wright on Monday Tuesday.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Derek L

[guyser]

Global news last night, from their sources in the PMO, said that the Prime Minister was told by Wright on Monday Tuesday.

And would you believe that?

[Guest Derek L]

And would you believe that?

Sure......why not?

[The_Squid]

I would speculate that they allow him to retire, at some point, well still sitting in the Tory benches of the Senate, as opposed to getting the Boot.

The PMO and the PM have no power to give a senator the boot.

Even if they did, your scenario says "if we give you $90k you will be quiet and we will allow you to stay, despite your fraudulent expense claims. Plus, don't cooperate with the audit"

Your scenario is exactly the same as the one that has been laid out and it is reprehensible.

[Canuckistani]

And IMO this secret adgenda by the NDP to scream foul on everything is getting tiresome. But then when harper wants to reform it he gets stopped by the opp. Lets go back and do a review on the PMO when chretien was in power. Now that would be scary.

As somebody already asked - secret agenda to scream foul? The NDP aren't very good at this secret agenda stuff, are they? The should take lessons from master Harper.

The Opp stops Harper from making reforms? How do they do that with him having a majority and all? More secret agenda stuff?

And, the Liberals did it toooooooooooooooooooooo. Classic

[Canuckistani]

Sure......why not?

Because he's not that gullible.

[Guest Derek L]

The PMO and the PM have no power to give a senator the boot.

Even if they did, your scenario says "if we give you $90k you will be quiet and we will allow you to stay, despite your fraudulent expense claims. Plus, don't cooperate with the audit"

Your scenario is exactly the same as the one that has been laid out and it is reprehensible.

Not from the Senate, but from the Tory benches.

[The_Squid]

Not from the Senate, but from the Tory benches.

So the $90k was a deal for Duffy to keep quiet and the PMO would influence the gov't not to do harm to poor Mike Duffy....

That makes sense. And it is a form of corruption!

[Guest Derek L]

So the $90k was a deal for Duffy to keep quiet and the PMO would influence the gov't not to do harm to poor Mike Duffy....

That makes sense. And it is a form of corruption!

I never said that, that's your speculation.

[The_Squid]

I never said that, that's your speculation.

No, it was your speculation! lol

[guyser]

Sure......why not?

Who would have the power to say the govt will go easy on Duffy? Afterall, Duffy said that they will.(and it was said before Tuesday)

For one to believe this timeline means Harpoer is not in charge, it means the PMO office and or Wright has the control.

I am not assigning right or wrong on this....yet. I am saying that this had to have all occured with Harper knowing full well.

Anything else would appear to be untruthful.

[Guest Derek L]

No, it was your speculation! lol

Not at all, as reported in the media, the money given to Duffy by Wright was used to pay back the Senator's expenses...........Not to "clam-up" as you assert.

[Moonlight Graham]

What conflict of interest?

It's pretty obvious.

[Guest Derek L]

Who would have the power to say the govt will go easy on Duffy? Afterall, Duffy said that they will.(and it was said before Tuesday)

For one to believe this timeline means Harpoer is not in charge, it means the PMO office and or Wright has the control.

I am not assigning right or wrong on this....yet. I am saying that this had to have all occured with Harper knowing full well.

Anything else would appear to be untruthful.

Based on what? Do you think the Prime Minister has equal powers as that of Superman and Santa Claus?

[Guest Derek L]

It's pretty obvious.

Well, what does Mr Wright have to gain by giving money to his friend the Senator?

[The_Squid]

Not at all, as reported in the media, the money given to Duffy by Wright was used to pay back the Senator's expenses...........Not to "clam-up" as you assert.

So along with the money came orders to not cooperate with the audit and a promise that they would "go easy" on him...

The three things are clearly connected... they are in the same emails about the topic from Duffy!

[Guest Derek L]

So along with the money came orders to not cooperate with the audit and a promise that they would "go easy" on him...

The three things are clearly connected... they are in the same emails about the topic from Duffy!

Orders not too cooperate? Can you prove that? And as I said earlier, allowing the Senator to "save face" isn't illegal.

[Moonlight Graham]

Well, what does Mr Wright have to gain by giving money to his friend the Senator?

it's already been explained.

[Guest Derek L]

it's already been explained.

No it has not.......all that 's been contributed is speculation.

[Canuckistani]

No it has not.......all that 's been contributed is speculation.

Now there's an easy out. Most things are speculation - this isn't going to court to be proved. Doesn't mean people don't have a head on their shoulders and know what's what.

You should just fall back on "the Liberals did it too." You'd be on much more solid ground, because this sort of thing is sop for any party. Doesn't make it right, and there should be political consequences when caught.

Edited May 16, 2013 by Canuckistani

[scribblet]

There is too much speculation and not enough evidence yet.

It appears that if Duffy can establish he was friends with Wright, it's okay.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2013/05/confusion-swirls-over-which-gifts-a-senator-can-and-cant-accept.html

Well, if Wright and Duffy can demonstrate that they were buddies -- gift-exchanging buddies, even -- both before and after the latter's ascension to the Upper House, a six-figure cheque could be deemed acceptable -- in every sense of the word -- as it would not relate to Duffy's position, and, as such, would not be covered by the rules .

He wouldn't even have to include it when he files his next annual disclosure statement.

If, however, such a friendship could not be established, the cheque itself would almost certainly fall under the general prohibition laid out in 17(1), which could mean that it would have to be repaid, in full, lest the senator run the risk of breaching the Code.

[Guest Derek L]

Now there's an easy out. Most things are speculation - this isn't going to court to be proved. Doesn't mean people don't have a head on their shoulders and know what's what.

You should just fall back on "the Liberals did it too." You'd be on much more solid ground, because this sort of thing is sop for any party. Doesn't make it right, and there should be political consequences when caught.

Easy out?

Where in the Charter does it guarantee the individual the right to libel a public figure, in this case, the Prime Minister and Mr Wright?

As to Liberal Senator Harb, like Senator Duffy, he too should pay back the funds. Now Senator Duffy, like Mr Harb, should be forced to sit as an independent and encouraged to resign……….None the less, speculation of culpability on the part of Mr Wright or the Prime Minister, would be akin to speculating that Justin Trudeau had involvement with Liberal Senator Harb’s discrepancies……and that would be purely asinine.