bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Yeah, so how does $5.7 trillion of tax cuts help the deficit? Starves the beast. Government spending is out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) Clearly lower taxes aren't helping Canada then right? Hell if I know....I don't live in Canada or Somalia, and you don't live in California, which I happily left partially because of outrageous taxes. Edited March 16, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Hell if I know....I don't live in Canada or Somalia, and you don't live in California, which I happily left partially because of outrageous taxes. Well you left while 750,000 the most Millionaires in the US for any state stayed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Well you left while 750,000 the most Millionaires in the US for any state stayed. ...and many of those are leaving, fed up with the confiscatory taxes. The same reason many affluent Canadians move to the "states". It's not complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 ...and many of those are leaving, fed up with the confiscatory taxes. The same reason many affluent Canadians move to the "states". It's not complicated. And its also not true. So citation please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 And its also not true. So citation please. Use your American media powers to find all the citations pro and con that you wish...the point is that it is even up for discussion and consideration by "millionaires" in California. It doesn't take much to be a millionaire for a California homeowner in certain markets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Use your American media powers to find all the citations pro and con that you wish...the point is that it is even up for discussion and consideration by "millionaires" in California. It doesn't take much to be a millionaire for a California homeowner in certain markets. I am not going searching for a point I already know isn't true. However look at me I'll support my point not with blind faith but with a scientific study. Have fun reading. Overall, our results suggest that there seems to be little empirical reason why progressive taxation should be the exclusive domain of the federal government (Feldstein and Wrobel, 1998; Leigh, 2008). While in principle it is easier for tax avoiders to migrate out of state than out of country, the reluctance of people to do so gives states signifi cant room to tax top incomes. Indeed, we estimate that New Jersey’s new tax raises nearly $1 billion per year and tangibly reduces income inequality, with little cost in terms of tax flight. http://www.stanford.edu/~cy10/public/Millionaire_Migration.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I am not going searching for a point I already know isn't true. However look at me I'll support my point not with blind faith but with a scientific study. Have fun reading. The New York Times ran with the tax flight story last month and some 'millionaires' are in fact leaving. Texas is courting this demographic from California as well. It's an issue whether you want to believe it or not from cozy Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 The New York Times ran with the tax flight story last month and some 'millionaires' are in fact leaving. Texas is courting this demographic from California as well. It's an issue whether you want to believe it or not from cozy Canada. Yet here we are. One of us has a study from Standford with citations and pages of actual information, has linked to it for the other to read and dissect and one of us is still repeating the same tired story with nothing to actually support it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Yet here we are. One of us has a study from Standford with citations and pages of actual information, has linked to it for the other to read and dissect and one of us is still repeating the same tired story with nothing to actually support it. I think you meant 'Stanford'....see...I actually live in the United States. You don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I think you meant 'Stanford'....see...I actually live in the United States. You don't. Good argument. It really makes the points you are trying to make. You live in a country where you don't even know what is going on and don't. Perfect glad we could get here because you have nothing that supports your claims. Good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 The issue goes beyond tax flights. I think it's immoral for the government to take more than half of your income. At that point, you cease working for yourself, or your family. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Good argument. It really makes the points you are trying to make. You live in a country where you don't even know what is going on and don't. Perfect glad we could get here because you have nothing that supports your claims. Good job. Thank you...I live in the reality....you only get to read about it. It's not fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 The issue goes beyond tax flights. I think it's immoral for the government to take more than half of your income. At that point, you cease working for yourself, or your family. Yah we know all about the sliding goal posts Shady. This is what you would be saying if the tax rate was 11% The issue goes beyond tax flights. I think it's immoral for the government to take more than a tenth of your income. At that point, you cease working for yourself, or your family.[./quote] That doesn't mean anything you are just picking an arbitrary number. If I make 300 million a year and the government takes half of that is my family going to suffer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Yah we know all about the sliding goal posts Shady. This is what you would be saying if the tax rate was 11% The issue goes beyond tax flights. I think it's immoral for the government to take more than a tenth of your income. At that point, you cease working for yourself, or your family.[./quote] That doesn't mean anything you are just picking an arbitrary number. If I make 300 million a year and the government takes half of that is my family going to suffer? It's not an arbitrary number. When you keep less than half of what you earn, you're essentially working for the government. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Thank you...I live in the reality....you only get to read about it. It's not fair. I think you living in reality has to be debated because you haven't made one citation about this reality. I could tell you in Canada everyone has green hair, just because I live here doesn't make that true. You would want proof, which I should give to you, I can't of course give you that proof because i said is a lie even though I live here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 It's not an arbitrary number. When you keep less than half of what you earn, you're essentially working for the government. When you keep less then a tenth of what you earn then you are essentially working for the government. Is that true? Nope! is it arbitrary? Yep! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 If you earn $300 million dollars, I think it's immoral for you the government to take more than half from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 (edited) I think you living in reality has to be debated because you haven't made one citation about this reality. I could tell you in Canada everyone has green hair, just because I live here doesn't make that true. You would want proof, which I should give to you, I can't of course give you that proof because i said is a lie even though I live here. I don't care about hair colour in Canada, nor do I take any strident position for the domestic tax policy in another nation or province. However, I do note the number of monied Canadians emigrating to the U.S. for tax reasons. Edited March 16, 2013 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 If you earn $300 million dollars, I think it's immoral for you the government to take more than half from you. I know what you think. It is arbitrary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I don't care about hair colour in Canada, nor do I take any strident position for the domestic tax policy in another nation or province. Not addressing my point. Your argument of I don't live there so I don't get a say is wrong because I get to fill out my ballot every election so I do very much get a say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Not addressing my point. Your argument of I don't live there so I don't get a say is wrong because I get to fill out my ballot every election so I do very much get a say. I do not believe this so the point is moot. You live in Canada by choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I do not believe this so the point is moot. You live in Canada by choice. I sure do. Yet the people of our country decided even though I lived in Canada I get a right to say how the US is governed so your usual "Well your not an American so I don't actually have to have a point" argument is done for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 I sure do. Yet the people of our country decided even though I lived in Canada I get a right to say how the US is governed so your usual "Well your not an American so I don't actually have to have a point" argument is done for. No, you are missing the larger point irrespective of alleged citizenship....YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN CANADA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted March 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 No, you are missing the larger point irrespective of alleged citizenship....YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN CANADA. No you are missing the point. The Government of the US and its people GAVE ME A VOTE AND A SAY. If you don't want me to have a say pass a law good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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