Manitoba NDP Tarets Bullying

[socialist]

Right now I wished I lived in Manitoba. They have a strong government and th NDP government has introduced a bill called Bill18 that will make it safe for all kids in all schools in Manitoba. I got tears in my eyes after reading how this bill promotes tolerance. This is needed canada wide. Of course thye crazies are up in arms, but who cares. Vongrats manitoba government.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2013/02/25/mb-anti-bullying-infringing-religious-freedoms-winnipeg.html

[Peanutbutter]

It's sad that Canadian kids are getting wimpier and wimpier with every generation it seems. Awwwww, the precious delicate flower cannot take being called a name? Well, that's ok now you can rat out your classmates and be treated like someone special.

Teaching kids to rat out their classmates will only serve to make them further outcasts and will not make anything better. Plus even if you get another kid kicked out school, the so called victim will still have to live in the same area as the so called bully and the bully will probably kick the "victims' Ass over it so only further harm will come to the "victim". The victim should either keep their mouths shut and deal with the problem on their own or make a new friend who can and will stand up to the person bothering this special delicate flower.

Furthermore religious schools should be free to rule themselves as they see fit and should be exempt from this and all other public school bills. The Catholic school system is protected by the Charter of Rights.

[socialist]

It's sad that Canadian kids are getting wimpier and wimpier with every generation it seems. Awwwww, the precious delicate flower cannot take being called a name? Well, that's ok now you can rat out your classmates and be treated like someone special.

Teaching kids to rat out their classmates will only serve to make them further outcasts and will not make anything better. Plus even if you get another kid kicked out school, the so called victim will still have to live in the same area as the so called bully and the bully will probably kick the "victims' Ass over it so only further harm will come to the "victim". The victim should either keep their mouths shut and deal with the problem on their own or make a new friend who can and will stand up to the person bothering this special delicate flower.

Furthermore religious schools should be free to rule themselves as they see fit and should be exempt from this and all other public school bills. The Catholic school system is protected by the Charter of Rights.

this bill is a big step in the right direction to protect GLBTQ students. no school should be exempt im promoting human rights. your views are archaic.

[Guest Derek L]

Hey Mr Canada‘s, what does “Tarets” mean?

Do you mean Tourette, as in Tourette Syndrome?

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Tourette+syndrome

People with Tourette syndrome are more likely to exhibit non-obscene, socially inappropriate behaviors such as expressing insulting or socially unacceptable comments or socially unacceptable actions. It is not known whether these symptoms stem from a more general dysfunction of impulse control that might be part of Tourette syndrome.

[socialist]

Hey Mr Canada‘s, what does “Tarets” mean?

Do you mean Tourette, as in Tourette Syndrome?

http://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Tourette+syndrome

Meant to say target. I guess you couldn't understand that so you tried to be funny.

[Signals.Cpl]

Meant to say target. I guess you couldn't understand that so you tried to be funny.

Knowing your disdain of mathematics and the english language it was taken at face value that you meant Tourette Syndrome but couldn't be bothered to spell it properly.

[Guest Derek L]

Knowing your disdain of mathematics and the english language it was taken at face value that you meant Tourette Syndrome but couldn't be bothered to spell it properly.

That's what I'm leaning towards:

socially inappropriate behaviors such as expressing insulting or socially unacceptable comments or socially unacceptable actions.

[Bryan]

The NDP are an embarrassment to Manitobans. This law is nothing more than left-wing social engineering. One side gets rights entrenched by law, the other gets their rights removed. Their insistence on no exemptions is probably going to end up in the whole law being scrapped if it's challenged on freedom of religion grounds, especially considering what's going right now with federal challenges to hate speech laws.

[socialist]

The NDP are an embarrassment to Manitobans. This law is nothing more than left-wing social engineering. One side gets rights entrenched by law, the other gets their rights removed. Their insistence on no exemptions is probably going to end up in the whole law being scrapped if it's challenged on freedom of religion grounds, especially considering what's going right now with federal challenges to hate speech laws.

How do you interpret this law as social engineering? This has to do with makin sure all kids feel safe in schools. Read the article and look at the statistics given by the research. Look at the suicide rates of LGBTQ students and the rates of those who are not LGBTQ. I am discouraged by the lack of knowledge and compassion of many on this forum. The Manitoba NDP are trendsetters, and have the guts to pass bills that are for the benefit of human rights. Are you against human rights Bryan?

[socialist]

The thing is that the left has compassion and cares about human rights. the right cares about making money regardless of who suffers.

we will be seeing some good stuff happening in ontario again as we have an education friendly premier once again. kathleen wynne is going to do some great things for education. she is doing a great job of repairing the relationship between the liberals and teachers that has been damaged by dalton. i feel confident waking up in ontario with wynne at the helm. thins will improve for teachers. we need smaller classes and better working conditions. we need to make sure all students feel safe in schools. schools are a secular institution and we must work hard to keep them that way.

[Peanutbutter]

Religious schools are not secular and never will be.

Why is the left obsessed with trying to legislate peoples feelings?

This is like thought police.

[BubberMiley]

Religious schools are not secular and never will be.

Why is the left obsessed with trying to legislate peoples feelings?

This is like thought police.

Only among those of you who think to make children's lives miserable to make you feel self-righteous.

[Peanutbutter]

Only among those of you who think to make children's lives miserable to make you feel self-righteous.

It's called martial arts lessons. Teaches children confidence, self control and how to defend themselves. Plus it's cheap.

We don't need thought police and worrying about if little Johnny's or Jane's feelings got stepped on.

Bunch of whining babies. What shall they do in the real world when they grow up? Run and cry to their boss every time someone looks at them in a way they don't like?

Lol. No wonder they get picked on if these are the values that are instilled at home.

Seriously, our kids need to toughen up not become weaker and wimpier.

[BubberMiley]

I agree that you're being a bit of a whining baby about it, but that's not much of an argument.

[Guest]

I have no problem with not allowing schools to prevent the formation of groups they don't agree with. (They aren't universities, after all. )

But I don't see what it will do to prevent bullying. It actually just identifies some of the targets. I didn't see anything in the article about actually preventing bullying. By doing the hard bit. Dealing with the bully.

If they form fat kid, ginger kid and smart kid whose parents make him carry his books in a briefcase clubs, the bullies wouldn't have to go looking at all.

Edited February 27, 2013 by bcsapper

[Bryan]

Are you against human rights Bryan?

No, but left-wingers in this country sure are.

[BubberMiley]

Bullying children is not a human right.

[Mighty AC]

It would have been nice if the article actually discussed the anti-bullying parts of the bill. Anyway, I have no problem with the clause which ensures the prevention of discrimination in the formation of clubs and groups. Private religious schools are still free to discriminate as they see fit. Those receiving public money can either abide by public equality standards or choose the private route. It seems like a non-issue to me.

[Peanutbutter]

Bullying children is not a human right.

Freedom of religion is though and this bill tramples all over that.

[BubberMiley]

Freedom of religion does not include the freedom to bully children.

[Peanutbutter]

Freedom of religion does not include the freedom to bully children.

This bill isn't about bullying, it's about the LBGQT community and it's politics. Religious schools should be free from being forced into allowing these clubs. if kids in religious schools want to form these groups then they can go to public school instead of a religious school that doesn't agree with the lifestyle anyhow.

[Sleipnir]

1) It's sad that Canadian kids are getting wimpier and wimpier with every generation it seems. Awwwww, the precious delicate flower cannot take being called a name? Well, that's ok now you can rat out your classmates and be treated like someone special.

2) Furthermore religious schools should be free to rule themselves as they see fit and should be exempt from this and all other public school bills. The Catholic school system is protected by the Charter of Rights.

1) Comment like that shows you have absolutely no clue what the bill is about.

2) Bullying is not protected by the Charter of Rights. Every students have the right to a safe and secure learning environment without fear of reprisal for who they are.

[Mighty AC]

if kids in religious schools want to form these groups then they can go to public school instead of a religious school that doesn't agree with the lifestyle anyhow.

If religious schools want to discriminate they can do so...provided they stop accepting public funds. The province isn't forcing religious schools to act morally, they are simply saying that equality is a requirement when accepting public money.

[Bryan]

If religious schools want to discriminate they can do so...provided they stop accepting public funds. The province isn't forcing religious schools to act morally, they are simply saying that equality is a requirement when accepting public money.

Those faith based schools are protected by the charter, and the Supreme Court has already ruled that any form of coercion against their faith (financial or otherwise) is an infringement of their rights. They pay their school taxes, and they have the right to decide what school it goes to.

1) Comment like that shows you have absolutely no clue what the bill is about.

Have you read the bill?

http://web2.gov.mb.ca/bills/40-2/b018e.php

It's ridiculously broad as to what bullying is. Hurting someone's feelings IS one of the definitions of bullying in the bill. It's so broad that it's either going to be completely unenforceable to the point of making real bullying far more trivialized than it already is, or it's going to turn into a circus where any kid voices an opinion on anything could be subject to discipline. The bill might as well have been written by George Orwell. Teachers don't have time for that crap. Remember the kid who got expelled for "having a gun at school" because he drew a picture of a gun? This is the kind of legislation that leads to that kind of insanity.

The only place where the bill actually does get specific is with respect to the promotion of homosexuality. It's a deliberate attempt to push a gay agenda, the bullying title is just a smokescreen.

2) Bullying is not protected by the Charter of Rights. Every students have the right to a safe and secure learning environment without fear of reprisal for who they are.

You know what is protected by the Charter? Religious freedom. Besides, anyone who thinks that a religious environment doesn't feel "safe", has the freedom to attend a secular school instead.

One surreal consequence of the bill is already playing out with respect to the comments being made by the supporters of the bill who are criticizing the religious objection. Look at the comment sections for articles about the bill in the Winnipeg papers. They're loaded with vitriol against religion, using all manner of insults, exposing people of faith to "behaviour that is intended to cause, or should be known to cause, fear, intimidation, humiliation, distress or other forms of harm to another person's body, feelings, self-esteem, reputation or property or is intended to create, or should be known to create, a negative environment for another person". The bill itself is exposing one specific group to the very behaviours it claims to be protecting people from.

[Sleipnir]

You know what is protected by the Charter? Religious freedom.

Homophobia is not protected by the Charter. Freedom of religion are for those who practice their religion without affecting others. When you start exerting your religious belief on others, that is where the line gets drawn.

Edited March 13, 2013 by Sleipnir