RW Authoritarians Rolling back Cannabis decriminalization in Canada

[kairos]

This is a sad day for Canada. The Emperor and his Canadian Taliban have no clothes.

http://www.ctvnews.c...aking-1.1132491

Edited January 28, 2013 by kairos

[Boges]

Canada's 26,000 licenced medical pot users and their designates will also no longer be able to grow their own when the new laws take effect next year, but will have to rely on pricier government-sanctioned growers.

Even if Ganj was 100% legal, but controlled, you'd expect outlawing growing your own plants.

People aren't allowed to make moonshine in their basements are they?

What about growing your own Tobacco plants?

[GostHacked]

Even if Ganj was 100% legal, but controlled, you'd expect outlawing growing your own plants.

I could see that happening.

People aren't allowed to make moonshine in their basements are they?

Not sure, but they can go do a brew-your-own facility.

Some of the comments are spot on. We have prescription medication that is way more harmful than pot and yet we have doctors that will prescribe that without issue knowing some of the very serious side effects of a lot of this medication. We don't have some of those serious side effects with pot and we still have alcohol which we know can cause many problems and is addictive as well.

We have A.A. but we have nothing for pot smokers!

[The_Squid]

Even if Ganj was 100% legal, but controlled, you'd expect outlawing growing your own plants.

People aren't allowed to make moonshine in their basements are they?

What about growing your own Tobacco plants?

Do these laws make any sense? How is it any business of the government if I want to make beer or spirits in my basement? Or grow dope? Or grow tobacco?

[Boges]

You expect stoners to go to meetings? LOL

Anyway. The article doesn't say you can't get a license, you just have to get it from a doctor and not the government. Which makes sense. In theory you're using it for a medical reason and not the more conventional recreational purposes the drug is known for.

What other prescription drugs can you get directly from the government without a prescription?

Edited January 28, 2013 by Boges

[Boges]

Do these laws make any sense? How is it any business of the government if I want to make beer or spirits in my basement? Or grow dope? Or grow tobacco?

None they don't make sense, but at least the government is being consistent here. Alcohol and Tobacco are a provincial issue because they are legally controlled recreational drugs and not a prescription drugs.

Ganj is being treated like any prescription drug. I'm sure it's pretty illegal to try and make your own Oxy. What would the government have to say if you were growing your own poppy's to make opium?

Edited January 28, 2013 by Boges

[Canuckistani]

Even if Ganj was 100% legal, but controlled, you'd expect outlawing growing your own plants.

People aren't allowed to make moonshine in their basements are they?

What about growing your own Tobacco plants?

It would be silly to try to outlaw growing your own. Think of it as brewing your own beer or wine. Moonshine is more like allowing home production of crystal meth. A reasonable limit should be put on how much pot you can grow, and of course we can't sell it. I've certainly given and been given homemade wine or beer tho, which probably is not legal either.

[DogOnPorch]

Like the government knows how to grow good pot.

[GostHacked]

Like the government knows how to grow good pot.

Sad to say, but you are correct. The stuff they grow is very sub-par. Unless they are hiring the guys they arrest.

[Boges]

Making moonshine is brewing your own Whisky. It's the exact same thing as brewing your own beer or wine.

In this instance we're talking about medicinal MJ, not recreational MJ.

I'm sure you'd get off pretty light if got caught growing a single plant for personal use. But we're not talking about that, we're talking about treating the drug like any other prescription drug.

Edited January 28, 2013 by Boges

[Guest Manny]

The laws have really become confusing on this. And the continual hedging back-and-forth, changing the laws makes it even more confusing. For a time the law on possession was dropped in Ontario. Then back. Then medical was allowed, by designated growers. Perhaps in itself a case for defencse.

I thought all the growers already had to get listed on the license as well. How is it different now?

[Canuckistani]

Moonshine is brewing your own Whisky. It's the exact same thing as brewing your own beer or wine.

In this instance we're talking about medicinal MJ, not recreational MJ.

I'm sure you'd get off pretty light if you how a single plant for personal use. But we're not talking about that, we're talking about treating the drug like any other prescription drug.

I was talking about recreational pot. Notice that brewing beer and wine is allowed, distilling it isn't. But the same holds true for medicinal pot. Most definitely somebody who has a permit to use medicinal pot should be able to grow their own - for one thing to save money. But I would legalize anyway, and allow growing small amounts, so it would bee a moot issue.

[cybercoma]

People aren't allowed to make moonshine in their basements are they?

I can certainly make my own beer and wine. The effects of drunkenness versus being high are like night and day too. I've never seen a stoner trying to start a fight or beating his gf or children. They usually just collapse on a couch, covered in Doritos dust, laughing at movies that are so stupid they should have never been given the time of day by the studios.

[cybercoma]

Like the government knows how to grow good pot.

Which iirc was the reason people could grow their own. They were actually getting sick off the shit the government was giving them. The pot they were growing and getting from the government dispensaries had twigs and garbage in it.

[Boges]

But the article in the OP is about Medicinal Pot. I kind of disregard issues related to Medicinal Pot as it's completely separate. You want Pot to be treated like Oxy, then get a prescription, It can't be that hard.

Apparently you have to use these "Make your own Wine" places that'll make you pay the duty and brew the stuff on their sight.

I think there are plenty of people that like the Pot laws the way they are. The dealers carry all the risk but you don't have to pay duty on the product. I shutter to think of what a Provincial Control Board will do to the price.

[cybercoma]

You can make wine at home without going to a u-brew.

[Boges]

I can certainly make my own beer and wine. The effects of drunkenness versus being high are like night and day too. I've never seen a stoner trying to start a fight or beating his gf or children. They usually just collapse on a couch, covered in Doritos dust, laughing at movies that are so stupid they should have never been given the time of day by the studios.

That's Irrelevant. We're talking about making your own controlled product.

[kairos]

Anyone should be able to grow their own personal tobacco. Organic tobacco is way better than the crap loaded with carcinogens that one buys in the store.

Chretien decriminalized cannabis. You could grow up to 6 plants in a household. That was very reasonable. Now the conservatives are trying to slowly make cannabis illegal again. And why? Perhaps they are appealing to the innate authoritarianism amongst their voters?

[Boges]

You can make wine at home without going to a u-brew.

But you have to buy a kit right? And I'm sure you have to pay some sort of duty on that. Again I'm not advocating any of this, I'd love to be able to make my own beer, I'm just lazy. MJ is a lot easier to make though. If the government wants it piece on alcohol and tobacco sales, I'm sure it'll want it's piece of MJ sales if it ever gets legalized.

[Canuckistani]

Nope, it's legal to make your own wine and beer at home. The make your own places are just for people who lack the skills - they basically do everything for you except put it in bottles, from what I understand.

Medicinal pot is nothing like oxy. People should be able to grow their own.

[Boges]

I doubt that's the case in Ontario. But I'll take your word for it.

I'll be clear here. I'm pro pot, It's a lot less harmful than alcohol. BUT you can' t have your cake and eat it too. You can't advocate for pot being considered a legal substance but act shocked when the government wants to control it's production like it tries to control everything else.

Edited January 28, 2013 by Boges

[Guest Manny]

Anyone should be able to grow their own personal tobacco. Organic tobacco is way better than the crap loaded with carcinogens that one buys in the store.

I thought you could do that, already.

Chretien decriminalized cannabis. You could grow up to 6 plants in a household.

Never heard of it. I think he suggested the idea, but it did not happen before he stepped aside from PM.

[kairos]

I thought you could do that, already.

I don't think you can grow personal tobacco.

Chretien decriminalized cannabis. You could grow up to 6 plants in a household.

Never heard of it. I think he suggested the idea, but it did not happen before he stepped aside from PM.

You're right. The bill was put forward twice, the first time the government pro-rogued, after pressure from the U.S. government not to pass it. (I almost thought we were a sovereign nation for a second there instead of a 51st state)

the 2nd time the bill didn't pass when Martin lost the no-confidence vote against the conservatives, who have now proceeded to try and make anti-cannabis laws stricter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_Canada#Failed_decriminalization_bills_.282002.2C_2004.29

[Canuckistani]

I don't think you can grow personal tobacco.

Why not? It's not an illegal plant. You probably can't sell it, at least not in finished form.

[Canuckistani]

I doubt that's the case in Ontario. But I'll take your word for it.

I'll be clear here. I'm pro pot, It's a lot less harmful than alcohol. BUT you can' t have your cake and eat it too. You can't advocate for pot being considered a legal substance but act shocked when the government wants to control it's production like it tries to control everything else.

I'm all for it controlling it's production. But that would include allowing people to grow some for personal use. People will anyway, and no way the govt would go busting down homes for a couple of plants if pot were legal - they don't even do that now. I want the govt to control large scale production and sales of the stuff.