Recreational shooting and firearms collecting thread

[kimmy]

Good to hear!!!! Hell of a lot fun eh? I doubt you’d have to worry about slam fires with the SVT-40 though (It doesn’t share the SKS’s FFFP)

When I got the SKS, I devoted considerable attention to making sure that the FP really does FF. Still, until I saw the gun actually function as designed, I was cautious anyway. I'd hate to end up in one of those "idiots with guns" compilation videos. I think I saw a video from a guy that manufactures an aftermarket pin with a spring, but it seems unnecessary. Part of the beauty of the SKS is how few parts there are in the action, and adding an extra part seems unfaithful to its mission.

I spent Friday with my son and his new “toy” (well technically mine until he get’s his PAL) that he‘d saved up for……..A Norinco M-14.………….I will say this, as a certified gun snob and a owner of a Springfield, the Nork wasn’t that bad………Well not a 1 MOA gun, with the stock sights (unadjusted) was picking off with ease half pieces of skeet’s (Skeet is about the size of a CD) at 100m……….Between the two of us, we put easy 500+ rounds of Norinco 7.62x51 FMJ through the thing, not a single problem……..

Cool! Can you help me what 1 MOA means, in real terms? I'm familiar with the concept, but if you could give me an example of what 1 MOA means in practical terms (ie, a CD at 100m) it would make it easier to grasp.

If it were my gun, I’d try and find a walnut stock (The plastic stock it comes with is cheesy, but good enough) and maybe some actual M-14 sights on it………but for a beginner, a great pirated gun………Norinco even copied, word for word, Springfield’s owners manual……

I've seen the Norinco M14s on a few vendors, and the idea appealed to me but I had a lot of questions. Like "How would I explain this to Derek?" and "Is Norinco as crappy as Derek says?" and "is the stock as cheesy as it looks in the pictures?" and "would a replica M14 wooden stock fit this?"

I think that sometime down the road, I would want to have a scoped bolt-action rifle in 308 Win, and when I do then one of these would be fun since I'd have the ammo for it anyway. But that's probably a long time away.

Right now, the wish-list looks (tentatively) something like this:

-a TT-33

-a 357 cowboy rifle

-a 357 single-action revolver

-a Mosin (to complete the set!)

-a shotgun

And then there's the "maybe someday" list that looks something like this:

-a 9mm pistol

-a 22 pistol, maybe a revolver

-a scoped hunting rifle, probably in 308 Win

-a manual action 22

-a Mini-14

You can get subsonic 22 shorts……..Great for hunting pheasant & grouse and really quite…………Clap your hands together……….That’s louder then a 22 short report.

Maybe if I get that manual action 22, I'll get another with a tube magazine.

No harm dry firing a centerfire gun since the firing pin is aligned with the empty barrel……….A rimfire it’s metal on metal.

Ah! That makes perfect sense.

I assume I am doing the right thing by storing my guns with the springs in un-compressed positions? Marlin actually recommends that the Model 60 be stored with the action open (and their lock in the ejector port) but the idea of it just sitting there with the springs compressed didn't sit well with me.

Kimmy don’t need no Russian queen,

She just needs an M-14

Interesting video! Since I got my rifles, I've been interested in the mechanics of how they work. I figured out most of that on my own, but your video covers some finer points that aren't apparent just from studying the parts. The details are different... on my guns the spring is behind the bolt rather than under the receiver, and I don't think the locking mechanism works the same as on the M14, but the basics are pretty much identical. The camming and rotating portion was pretty interesting... I'll pop open the SKS and see if the locking mechanism has something like that.

-k

[Guest Derek L]

When I got the SKS, I devoted considerable attention to making sure that the FP really does FF. Still, until I saw the gun actually function as designed, I was cautious anyway. I'd hate to end up in one of those "idiots with guns" compilation videos. I think I saw a video from a guy that manufactures an aftermarket pin with a spring, but it seems unnecessary. Part of the beauty of the SKS is how few parts there are in the action, and adding an extra part seems unfaithful to its mission.

Nothing wrong with that, you can never be too safe with a firearm…..

Cool! Can you help me what 1 MOA means, in real terms? I'm familiar with the concept, but if you could give me an example of what 1 MOA means in practical terms (ie, a CD at 100m) it would make it easier to grasp.

Readers digest:

A 1 MOA gun like my Springfield, will shoot 1” groups at 100 yards….Or to help visualize using a Justin Bieber CD as the target, if aiming at the exact center of the CD, the rifle is capable firing within a 1” diameter circle of the center of the CD……..A rifle that can shoot 1 MOA (or below) “out of the box” is a very accurate rifle….Most battle rifles don’t shoot 1 MOA……..A AR-15/M-16, unless customized, will shoot ~2-3 MOA depending on the barrel type and length (A heavy barrel is more accurate) and a Ruger Mini-14 will be ~3+ MOA……Or your Russian SKS will shoot closer to 4 MOA groupings……..

What does this mean? Most battle rifles aren’t built to high tolerances, but if shooting a “man sized target”, being able to put shots into a imaginary 1” circle at 100 yards isn’t that important……

I've seen the Norinco M14s on a few vendors, and the idea appealed to me but I had a lot of questions. Like "How would I explain this to Derek?" and "Is Norinco as crappy as Derek says?" and "is the stock as cheesy as it looks in the pictures?" and "would a replica M14 wooden stock fit this?"

Don’t get me wrong, the Springfield is a way better gun (Hence the $2500+ price tag), but the Nork is a sufficient plinker & Zombie gun………And though we only got it a few days ago, I don’t see why an aftermarket walnut stock wouldn’t fit….At most, you might need a little sanding and maybe a dremel taken to it….

Just keep things in perspective with it……….Some people will by the Norinco and put hundreds of dollars into it replacing the trigger, sights, stock, gas system etc…….Would I think putting $1000+ dollars into a $400 gun be advisable? Of course not, just pay the difference for a Springfield…….

I will say though, the Norinco AR-15 clone is junk, though it does go bang, I’d advise spending the extra ~$300-500 and getting a Smith & Wesson or ArmaLite.

At then end of the day, Kimmy is better off with a Norinco M14 then not having a Springfield due to cost.

I think that sometime down the road, I would want to have a scoped bolt-action rifle in 308 Win, and when I do then one of these would be fun since I'd have the ammo for it anyway. But that's probably a long time away.

Right now, the wish-list looks (tentatively) something like this:

-a TT-33

-a 357 cowboy rifle

-a 357 single-action revolver

-a Mosin (to complete the set!)

-a shotgun

And then there's the "maybe someday" list that looks something like this:

-a 9mm pistol

-a 22 pistol, maybe a revolver

-a scoped hunting rifle, probably in 308 Win

-a manual action 22

-a Mini-14

Oh, as this new addiction takes hold, the “maybe list” and the “wish list” will blur

Financial realities aside, I would suggest getting the Tokarev next, to get your ATT ball rolling (And in all reality, even if you bought one tomorrow, you probably won’t get it for several months) and then get your scatter gun……..

Now I remember yammering to you about a 870.………Now a cheaper option for Kimmy to get a quality 12 gauge for hunting zombies would be to buy a used 870 Wingmaster (~$300), a two shot Remington mag extension (~$75) and a Remington 18” barrel (~$230), or even a Mossberg built Remington 870 18.5” barrel (~$130)

~$500-600 for a quality 6+1 Shotgun, on par with law enforcement and better then anything you’ll find new in that price range from the store…….Plus you’ll still have the long barrel (probably with some kind of choke) for hunting if you ever so desire…..And a classy wood stock and fore grip………Mirrored sunglasses not included.

I assume I am doing the right thing by storing my guns with the springs in un-compressed positions? Marlin actually recommends that the Model 60 be stored with the action open (and their lock in the ejector port) but the idea of it just sitting there with the springs compressed didn't sit well with me.

I honestly don’t think it that much of a concern either way…….I tend to store mine uncompressed/action closed……but I have many guns 40-50-60+ years old that still have the original springs…….Marlin might suggest that to help break in the gun……..

Interesting video! Since I got my rifles, I've been interested in the mechanics of how they work. I figured out most of that on my own, but your video covers some finer points that aren't apparent just from studying the parts. The details are different... on my guns the spring is behind the bolt rather than under the receiver, and I don't think the locking mechanism works the same as on the M14, but the basics are pretty much identical. The camming and rotating portion was pretty interesting... I'll pop open the SKS and see if the locking mechanism has something like that.

-k

You gotta love the old GI instructional “movies”……….And just remember, their intended audience were 17 year olds, so they tend to be “user friendly”…….

Like I’ve said though, an M14, even the Chinese knock-offs, wouldn’t be a purchase you’d regret…….And for such a beast of a gun, has very little felt recoil………And the .308/7.62x51 cartridge you will find has very similar ballistics to your SVT-40 in 7.62x54R……………Food for thought, a single person armed with an M14 and 6-8 magazines, had the equivalent firepower to that of a WW I rifle platoon…..And IMHO, is a much better platform then the M-16/AR-15 family of rifles………..Well being non-restricted and less scary looking

[kimmy]

Oh yeah! I just remembered something I was going to ask!

Eye protection: probably the most trouble I had yesterday came from my protective glasses. I was pretty sweaty by the time I got to my shooting spot, and I had a lot of trouble with sweat and wet hair messing up my lenses. I kept having to stop and wipe them down, and they weren't exactly crystal-clear while I was shooting. Any suggestions for keeping precipitation and perspiration off my goggles? I'm thinking about wiping some Rain-X on them or something like that. I'm just using clear polycarbonate safety glasses that I use while I'm using my tools. Are there some good anti-fog, anti-glare etc glasses?

What does this mean? Most battle rifles aren’t built to high tolerances, but if shooting a “man sized target”, being able to put shots into a imaginary 1” circle at 100 yards isn’t that important……

Gotcha. thanks. I think it will be a while before I can hit a CD hole (or a CD for that matter) at 100 yards regardless of how good of a gun I have. Especially without the help of optics.

Don’t get me wrong, the Springfield is a way better gun (Hence the $2500+ price tag), but the Nork is a sufficient plinker & Zombie gun………And though we only got it a few days ago, I don’t see why an aftermarket walnut stock wouldn’t fit….At most, you might need a little sanding and maybe a dremel taken to it….

Just keep things in perspective with it……….Some people will by the Norinco and put hundreds of dollars into it replacing the trigger, sights, stock, gas system etc…….Would I think putting $1000+ dollars into a $400 gun be advisable? Of course not, just pay the difference for a Springfield…….

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At then end of the day, Kimmy is better off with a Norinco M14 then not having a Springfield due to cost.

I think that if I did buy one, I would want to try and class it up a bit, with a wooden stock at the very least. Other than that, it sounds like it would be a completely viable gun for hunting, chasing predators off my future acreage, zombie defense, or any other foreseeable circumstance. One definite appeal compared to the Russian guns is the much greater likelihood of finding ammunition on short notice.

Speaking of not-quite historical guns... is there such thing as a Garand knock-off?

Oh, as this new addiction takes hold, the “maybe list” and the “wish list” will blur

It blurs each time I visit the Marstar web page. Still pondering the shotgun issue. Not in a big rush on that front.

-k

[Guest Derek L]

Oh yeah! I just remembered something I was going to ask!

Eye protection: probably the most trouble I had yesterday came from my protective glasses. I was pretty sweaty by the time I got to my shooting spot, and I had a lot of trouble with sweat and wet hair messing up my lenses. I kept having to stop and wipe them down, and they weren't exactly crystal-clear while I was shooting. Any suggestions for keeping precipitation and perspiration off my goggles? I'm thinking about wiping some Rain-X on them or something like that. I'm just using clear polycarbonate safety glasses that I use while I'm using my tools. Are there some good anti-fog, anti-glare etc glasses?

I tend to wear just regular eye glasses or sunglasses when shooting handguns, shotguns or rifles with iron sights (so I can see) and nothing with scoped rifles……..The safety factor isn’t so much to do with the gun itself, but with debris flying off what you’re shooting at IMV or ejected casings from the shooter next to you………If you’re shooting at something past 50 yards or alone, you’re probably alright……….

With that said, and in the case of do what I say, not what I do, I make my son wear a cheapo ($30-40) set of Browning glasses I got from Wholesale Sports with yellow tinted, “fog free” lenses……..That would probably be your best bet……Or you could go all Mall Ninja and buy some form of ballistic eye protection worn by the military……

Gotcha. thanks. I think it will be a while before I can hit a CD hole (or a CD for that matter) at 100 yards regardless of how good of a gun I have. Especially without the help of optics.

Just build up to it with your milk jugs……..If you’re shooting at and hitting what you aim at out to 15 yards, next time, try 25, then 50 etc…….You’ll be surprised, you’ll be picking off (with iron sights) a milk jug size target at 100 yards in no time………And with milk jugs, instead of packing water in them, just put a handful of dirt or gravel in them to keep them weighted……..And as you get farther out, get a cheap pair of binos…….If you’re shooting with someone else, get them to spot for you, if not bring a pad of paper and pencil and take notes/ draw a little picture with your shot placements to adjust fire……

I think that if I did buy one, I would want to try and class it up a bit, with a wooden stock at the very least. Other than that, it sounds like it would be a completely viable gun for hunting, chasing predators off my future acreage, zombie defense, or any other foreseeable circumstance. One definite appeal compared to the Russian guns is the much greater likelihood of finding ammunition on short notice.

Speaking of not-quite historical guns... is there such thing as a Garand knock-off?

For sure, a nice walnut stock would do wonders for the eye, plus add a little more weight, hence slightly less felt recoil.

And Ammo is everywhere…….It does cost more then the Russian stuff, but if you buy in bulk, you can get the per shot price down to about 50 cents…….You usually find Norinco ammo in bulk or 20 round boxes for about ~$12 per, or you can buy cans of 200 rounds of Federal SP .308 hunting ammo for about ~$175-200.….

Our recent trip expending over 500 rounds is the exception to the rule mind you, I’ll usually go through 50-100 rounds (of Federal FMJ) if I’m shooting my Springfield and Remington 700, and a little more if I’m sighting my scope for hunting season on my Remington 760.……..

As to a cheap Garand, if there is, I’ve never heard of one……..And 30-06 is not cheap……….I value mine at pushing ~$2000, and I maybe put 100 rounds through it a year……….One of the reasons I love it’s little brothers, the M14/M1A and the Mini-14.

It blurs each time I visit the Marstar web page. Still pondering the shotgun issue. Not in a big rush on that front.

-k

I guarantee once you get your first shotgun, you’ll be wondering why you didn’t get one earlier……If you like blasting milk jugs, you’ll love a 12 gauge

[Bonam]

1 MOA = 1 minute of angle = 1/60th of 1 degree. A full circle is 360 degrees. At 100 meters, the perimeter of the full circle is 628 m. 1 minute of angle means it can hit within 628 m / 360 / 60 = 0.029m (just over 1 inch) at 100m range. So 1 inch / 100 yards / MOA is a good rule of thumb, as Derek mentioned.

I know nothing about guns per say, but I do know what 1 minute of angle means, and that sounds to me like amazingly good accuracy. 1 MOA is about how big Jupiter looks from Earth...

Edited February 12, 2013 by Bonam

[Guest Derek L]

1 MOA = 1 minute of angle = 1/60th of 1 degree. A full circle is 360 degrees. At 100 meters, the perimeter of the full circle is 628 m. 1 minute of angle means it can hit within 628 m / 360 / 60 = 0.029m (just over 1 inch) at 100m range. So 1 inch / 100 yards / MOA is a good rule of thumb, as Derek mentioned.

I know nothing about guns per say, but I do know what 1 minute of angle means, and that sounds to me like amazingly good accuracy. 1 MOA is about how big Jupiter looks from Earth...

.............For $2500 it had better be an accurate gun

I have a Remington 700 in .338 Laupa Magnum, and had a Remington 700 .300 Remington Ultra Magnum that were/are both sub 1 MOA guns with a bipod and match grade ammo………….From a gun vise, the .338 will shoot groupings that can be covered with a loonie……….Unfortunately, there aren’t really any rifle ranges in the lower mainland that can allow the rifle to be tested out past 500 yards/meters (Pemberton has a 500 meter range)…………..As such, have sold the RUM and I’m considering selling the .338 to my brother who lives in Alberta…..

[kimmy]

I had the SKS and SVT-40 apart yesterday to figure out the locking mechanism. No twisting, rotating, or camming is involved. Both guns work basically the same. When the bolt comes to rest against the chamber, the bolt carrier still has about a centimeter to move forward. During that centimeter of travel, a ramp the front of the bolt carrier forces the back end of the bolt downward. The back end of the bolt is resting on top of a spring-loaded button, but the forward motion of the carrier forces the back end of the bolt down, pressing this button. When the bolt is in this position with the back end tilted downward, the back of the bolt is solidly wedged against a heavy steel block-- it can't go backward, and it can't go up with the bolt carrier above it. That's how the bullet gets locked in the chamber in both guns.

The trigger can't fire until the spring loaded button gets pressed downward-- it can only release the hammer once the bullet is securely locked in the chamber. Once the gun fires the piston pushes the bolt carrier back that first centimeter, allowing the spring loaded button to push the bolt back up above the metal block, and it can slide back too, bringing the empty casing with it. The whole system is ingeniously simple. I've really enjoyed figuring out how the mechanical pieces work.

I found the sights on the Soviet guns kind of difficult to use. If I focused on the target, the lineup of the post and notch became out of focus. If I focused on the post and notch, the target became out of focus. The Marlin was better in this respect, I think because the red blade and the deeper notch made the sights more visible while I was focusing on the target.

I saw an interesting after-market sight for the SKS that might help:

http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/image_sks.htm

Replaces the post in the front sight with a fibre-optic light collector, and replaces the rear notch with a ring. I think this would greatly improve the visibility of the sights while you're concentrating on the target. And the gun could be returned to completely stock condition by putting the original sights back in place.

For the time being, I think I might put a dab of fluorescent orange paint on the front sight posts to make them more visible.

-k

[Guest Derek L]

I had the SKS and SVT-40 apart yesterday to figure out the locking mechanism. No twisting, rotating, or camming is involved. Both guns work basically the same. When the bolt comes to rest against the chamber, the bolt carrier still has about a centimeter to move forward. During that centimeter of travel, a ramp the front of the bolt carrier forces the back end of the bolt downward. The back end of the bolt is resting on top of a spring-loaded button, but the forward motion of the carrier forces the back end of the bolt down, pressing this button. When the bolt is in this position with the back end tilted downward, the back of the bolt is solidly wedged against a heavy steel block-- it can't go backward, and it can't go up with the bolt carrier above it. That's how the bullet gets locked in the chamber in both guns.

The trigger can't fire until the spring loaded button gets pressed downward-- it can only release the hammer once the bullet is securely locked in the chamber. Once the gun fires the piston pushes the bolt carrier back that first centimeter, allowing the spring loaded button to push the bolt back up above the metal block, and it can slide back too, bringing the empty casing with it. The whole system is ingeniously simple. I've really enjoyed figuring out how the mechanical pieces work.

I found the sights on the Soviet guns kind of difficult to use. If I focused on the target, the lineup of the post and notch became out of focus. If I focused on the post and notch, the target became out of focus. The Marlin was better in this respect, I think because the red blade and the deeper notch made the sights more visible while I was focusing on the target.

I saw an interesting after-market sight for the SKS that might help:

http://www.williamsg...s/image_sks.htm

Replaces the post in the front sight with a fibre-optic light collector, and replaces the rear notch with a ring. I think this would greatly improve the visibility of the sights while you're concentrating on the target. And the gun could be returned to completely stock condition by putting the original sights back in place.

For the time being, I think I might put a dab of fluorescent orange paint on the front sight posts to make them more visible.

-k

If you’re looking for reasonably priced aftermarket sights for your SKS:

http://www.tech-sights.com/

I’ve got a set on a 10/22 that I picked up awhile ago, and am considering getting a set for the Marlin carbine……And the orange paint thing works good though……….Did it with my GP100

[kimmy]

Looks pretty reasonable. -k

[Guest Derek L]

Looks pretty reasonable. -k

Yeah, my 10/22 has the TSR100 sights that would be the equivalent to the TS100 for the SKS……….I can’t speak to how easy they were to install (I wouldn’t think that hard), but no complaints……….Even just pulling up the link, I noticed they make ones for M-14s, so when I get the ones for the 989, might have to pick-up a set for the kids Norc……

[kimmy]

I now have a TT-33 on order, though who knows when the transfer will get approved. I ordered a Russian one, partly because it was $100 less than the Polish one, and partly because it came with an extra magazine plus all the authentic accessories.

No, I still don't have a 91/30. Every online store I'm aware of is either completely sold out, or has only expensive "collector models" or sniper models left. Westrifle will allegedly have new stock in before too long.

While I was shopping for a 91/30, I stumbled upon the picture of Red Army sniper Roza Shanina, who is now in my profile picture. She had 54 confirmed kills, including 12 German snipers, and plus knows how many more actual kills. She died shielding her commanding officer from an explosion. All before her 21st birthday. She was a true patriot and hero of the people!

After I updated my profile pic, DogOnPorch sent me links to information about Lidya Litvyak, a Soviet ace fighter pilot from WWII, as well as the Night Witches, a squadron of female Soviet pilots who carried out daring bombing raids flying junky obsolete biplanes. Fascinating stories.

-k

[DogOnPorch]

Pavlichenko had an even higher record than Shanina. Over 300 kills with the 25th Rifle Division of the Red Army which eventually became a Guards Division.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko

[Guest Derek L]

I now have a TT-33 on order, though who knows when the transfer will get approved. I ordered a Russian one, partly because it was $100 less than the Polish one, and partly because it came with an extra magazine plus all the authentic accessories.

No, I still don't have a 91/30. Every online store I'm aware of is either completely sold out, or has only expensive "collector models" or sniper models left. Westrifle will allegedly have new stock in before too long.

While I was shopping for a 91/30, I stumbled upon the picture of Red Army sniper Roza Shanina, who is now in my profile picture. She had 54 confirmed kills, including 12 German snipers, and plus knows how many more actual kills. She died shielding her commanding officer from an explosion. All before her 21st birthday. She was a true patriot and hero of the people!

After I updated my profile pic, DogOnPorch sent me links to information about Lidya Litvyak, a Soviet ace fighter pilot from WWII, as well as the Night Witches, a squadron of female Soviet pilots who carried out daring bombing raids flying junky obsolete biplanes. Fascinating stories.

-k

Did you file for your Long-term ATT earlier? That’s what will likely take a month or two………..In fairness, the BC CFO has improved……….My father’s transfer for his Polish TT-33 has been approved, so I expect mine in the next little while………Even then I might keep it in the box then flip it when the stores run out……….The one I’m now waiting for (And will surely get in big trouble over) is extremely convoluted three-way deal with fellow I occasionally shoot with and his late uncle’s estate………basically said guy’s old uncle passed away and had a collection of safe queens, and in his will divided up his collection between his children and nephews, one of which belongs to my gun club………..

Now said nephew is waiting for the lawyers to cross the T’s and dot the I’s prior to legally divesting the late fellow’s firearms in concert with the CFC and his will…………Now unfortunately, said nephew is inflicted with being a “mall-ninja” and only interested in all things “black and tactical”……….As such, is not too interested in what his uncle left him………but is really interested in my son’s Ruger SR-22, that happens to be all mall ninja-ed out……..And with just picking up a tricked out Ruger 10/22, that was initially intended as gift for a family member, but was swapped with the other SR-22 we had………

So the final deal is:

The young mall ninja gets a SR-22 with optics, a couple of 25 round Butler Creek mags and a SKS thrown in

My nephew a SR-22 with optics for his birthday

My son a done up Ruger 10/22 & a 520 round crate of 7.62x 51 NATO FMJ for his M-14

And myself, a mint, and I mean no drag marks on the cylinder mint, Smith & Wesson Model 29-3 (doubling my collection).....Go ahead, make my day

As to the Mosin, try here:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pLB_VN_kLvz61EqJJtygOAg&gid=0

[kimmy]

Pavlichenko had an even higher record than Shanina. Over 300 kills with the 25th Rifle Division of the Red Army which eventually became a Guards Division.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko

I read that the Soviets used about 1000 female snipers in WWII; they're believed to have killed over 12,000 Germans.

Did you file for your Long-term ATT earlier?

Not yet. Do I need to file that first?

And myself, a mint, and I mean no drag marks on the cylinder mint, Smith & Wesson Model 29-3 (doubling my collection).....Go ahead, make my day

Sounds nice. Blued or stainless? Barrel length? Does it have the checkered walnut grip, or the rubber grip that looks like a dildo?

As to the Mosin, try here:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pLB_VN_kLvz61EqJJtygOAg&gid=0

$200 seems pretty high for a plain M91/30. Last year when I was taking my CFSC I was seeing them for $120.

-k

[Guest Derek L]

Not yet. Do I need to file that first?

Doesn't mater either way........When you purchased the gun, the ball would start automatically........But you could get the ATT form filled out, coupled with your "letter" from your gun club sent off to them......

Sounds nice. Blued or stainless? Barrel length? Does it have the checkered walnut grip, or the rubber grip that looks like a dildo?

Blued, 6" and walnut grips..........For S&W guns, if the model number starts with a "6" it is stainless ie Model 629 is a Stainless .44 Rem Mag, Model 29 is blued..........Same with their Model 686 .357 versus the 586......And the newer guns, like the Ruger GP-100 tend to come with the hogue grips......

$200 seems pretty high for a plain M91/30. Last year when I was taking my CFSC I was seeing them for $120.

And said trend is happening with all guns and ammo over the last few months.....

[kimmy]

hmm. My TT-33 is already in the mail. I just applied for my long term ATT last week...

-k

[Guest Derek L]

hmm. My TT-33 is already in the mail. I just applied for my long term ATT last week...

-k

That’s awesome………..Did you get it from a BC dealer?

So I invented a new shooting “game” this weekend………..coined it shotgun roulette………

So this last Sunday was one of the nicest days of the year weather wise, so the wife and I decided to go for a drive up to Stave Lake (Up by Mission) early in the morning with the dogs, a well packed lunch and a couple of shotguns and twenty-twos……..So we drive out to Mission and up towards Davis Lake Provincial Park, made our way through a washed out portion of the road by pure guile and ability on the part of the driver, past a section of the park that was actively been logged……..And on to Crown land and the chorus of other Lower Mainland Shooters that set-up just outside the park in a locale coined “Little Iraq”…………..

Now gun snobs such as myself, don’t wish to share the BC countryside with other shooters, so we continue on into the hinterland……….past those in their off road 4x4s……..past those on their ATVs……..And even past a very odd looking fellow panning for gold with a pit-bull………and up to a secluded gravel pit bordering the snow line South of Blinch Lake……….

Here the wife and I decide is a suitable place to let the dogs loose and set-up a couple of targets made up of a forklift pallet, a couple of 2x4s and tin cans attached to a cross piece via fishing line……..So we plink away with the Ruger and my her newish Marlin M989 M2 carbine………After an hour or so, and we enjoyed our Boerewors cooked over the Coleman, the dogs sniffed and peed on nearly every tree, we decided to break out the Auto-5 to blast away at our remaining targets……..

Now I just brought along a steel can of odds and sods of shells……….Mostly varying degrees of Birdshot, some Buckshot, and surprisingly enough, fore they are really expensive and I normally have better account for them, Slugs……………So we decided to take turns and try and knock off/blast away the remaining cans, be it by cutting the fishing line or wiping out the tin can completely………Now this from ~50 yards with a shotgun loaded with Birdshot can be a bit of a challenge………..Now for some reason, my dearest wife was succeeding better than I………So when faced with utter embarrassment, it’s time to play dirty……….Like the doting husband I will load the shotgun for the wife, but this time, decide to spice it up a little by placing two slugs amongst the #7.…….

Now after her going through the first two #7s, I’m waiting in devilish anticipation for the slugs, and more importantly, my wife’s reaction……….The Auto-5 ejects the second #7 and promptly loads the slug….The wife pulls the trigger……..BOOOOOM……She’s knocked backed every so slightly, not a hint of surprise on her face and the slug goes low………all the while the Auto-5 reloads the next slug…….trigger pulled……..BOOOOM……And the forklift pallet is shredded, knocks over with all the cans……….I get the finger and few indistinguishable choice Afrikaner words sent my way…………And get to clean-up our mess…………….

Results:

Play Shotgun roulette with someone that didn’t grow-up in the veldt…………..

Edited March 6, 2013 by Derek L

[kimmy]

Sounds fun!

Speaking of "shotgun roulette", I saw these while I was shopping for ammo:

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_5_98&products_id=375

When even the seller is warning you that these are pretty dodgy, that's probably a bad sign. Still, for $99, ... If you spend $99 and you need to spend some time with a dremel working on the action, that's not so bad. But if you spend your $99 and pull the trigger and get a face full of shrapnel, that's pretty bad. I can do dremel, but I don't want to get a face full of shrapnel. I will probably save my money for something a little more reputable.

I bought the TT-33 from Marstar. I think they're in Ontario. I'm not sure how the ATT got approved so quickly, but I'm not going to complain.

-k

[Guest Derek L]

Sounds fun!

Speaking of "shotgun roulette", I saw these while I was shopping for ammo:

http://www.theammosource.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2_5_98&products_id=375

When even the seller is warning you that these are pretty dodgy, that's probably a bad sign. Still, for $99, ... If you spend $99 and you need to spend some time with a dremel working on the action, that's not so bad. But if you spend your $99 and pull the trigger and get a face full of shrapnel, that's pretty bad. I can do dremel, but I don't want to get a face full of shrapnel. I will probably save my money for something a little more reputable.

Yeah, I’d stay away if they aren’t going to warranty them……….Save up and get a Remington 870 Wingmaster……….but if you do want a cheap 12 gauge to start off with, and not particular on looks:

http://www.tradeexcanada.com/produits/73

You could pick-up an old Swedish or Belgian 12 gauge SxS for under $200 (plus shipping)………I bought a ancient Hungarian SxS from them about twenty years ago……..ugly as sin, and I feel like Elmer Fudd carrying it, but it goes bang every time and next to no moving parts to break……and if it does, you paid $200 for……..And besides, if you ran into a pack of mountain folk in your travels, you can legally perform a marriage between cousins with one

Ooohhh looking at this list of:

I spy a Walther P38 9mm......German sidearm, captured by the Soviets:

http://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/wwii-walther-p38-pistol-9mm-2

But this looks like a better deal for a 9mm:

http://www.tradeexcanada.com/content/sig-p226-9mm-4

I bought the TT-33 from Marstar. I think they're in Ontario. I'm not sure how the ATT got approved so quickly, but I'm not going to complain.

-k

No kidding......well played

[kimmy]

You could pick-up an old Swedish or Belgian 12 gauge SxS for under $200 (plus shipping)………I bought a ancient Hungarian SxS from them about twenty years ago……..ugly as sin, and I feel like Elmer Fudd carrying it, but it goes bang every time and next to no moving parts to break……and if it does, you paid $200 for……..And besides, if you ran into a pack of mountain folk in your travels, you can legally perform a marriage between cousins with one

well, no shortage of mountain-folk around here. I have actually been thinking of getting a Kentucky flint-lock some day. Should cover all my hillbilly wedding needs.

-k

[Guest Derek L]

well, no shortage of mountain-folk around here. I have actually been thinking of getting a Kentucky flint-lock some day. Should cover all my hillbilly wedding needs.

-k

Just remember, when you hear banjos-----------> keep paddling

[Guest Derek L]

I couldn't help myself:

http://youtu.be/3PQQ0ck5030

[kimmy]

Komrade Hickok test drives a TT-33:

Aside from demonstrating the capabilities of the gun and disassembling it, he also talks about the mystique of historical weapons around the 17 minute mark, while he's reloading.

I want to be able to shoot like this guy some day.

-k

[Guest Derek L]

Komrade Hickok test drives a TT-33:

Aside from demonstrating the capabilities of the gun and disassembling it, he also talks about the mystique of historical weapons around the 17 minute mark, while he's reloading.

I want to be able to shoot like this guy some day.

-k

Yeah, he’s a good shooter……..It is a perishable skill, so it defiantly helps having a range in the backyard……

My Father’s Polish gun is in the mail, and I’m still waiting for my transfer to be approved………..Our gun’s only come with one magazine, what about your gun Kimmy?

For me, and perhaps it’s OCD thing, I’m not comfortable with only having a sole magazine for a gun….just a quick search, and they look sparse within Canada

edit to add: Found some PM inbound

Edited March 8, 2013 by Derek L

[kimmy]

My TT-33 is here!

It's a 1938 Tula. I'm pretty pleased with the condition. It's obviously seen
quite a bit of use, as there is visible wear on some of the parts, but
overall it's in nice shape. One part I'm not thrilled with is the
grips. They seem to be made out of BakeLite, or some equally crappy
Russian equivalent. One of them has a small chip missing off a corner.

The
hammer has a half-cocked position which is nice. Completely locks both
the slide and the trigger. I ordered a package of snap-caps from
Pachmayr on the same day I bought the gun. I never imagined that the
gun would arrive before the snap-caps. Once they get here I'll be able
to play with the mechanism and get a better idea of how it feeds and
ejects.

I've already disassembled it and reassembled it
and cleaned it and done all the maintenance. Everything looks like it
should work.

As advertised, it came with a leather
holster, 2 magazines, a cleaning rod, and a lanyard. I have no idea
what I'm supposed to do with the lanyard.

-k

Edited March 15, 2013 by kimmy