WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Is this thread locked....it appears not. I don't think we are permitted to repost anything purposely deleted by the mods. I can't see the posts you are referring to as I have several members on ignore due to their proclivity for personal attacks. As for this topic, it is only appropriate to compare and contrast health care "systems" if the contention is that the U.S. is "dead last", when clearly there is evidence otherwise. I sincerely do not want to debate on this matter with you when other members have clearly been blocked by you. what is the point. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 This is completely ridiculous. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 I sincerely do not want to debate on this matter with you when other members have clearly been blocked by you. what is the point. Civil debate is still possible between other members. For instance, we discussed breast cancer reconstructive surgery options without much of a fuss. Some members cannot resist personal attacks as part of their "contributions", so I choose to avoid them. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Civil debate is still possible between other members. For instance, we discussed breast cancer reconstructive surgery options without much of a fuss. Some members cannot resist personal attacks as part of their "contributions", so I choose to avoid them. Other members provide valuable information that needs to be considered. I appreciate your information but there is other information we need to consider in the grand scheme of things, don't you think? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Civil debate is still possible between other members. For instance, we discussed breast cancer reconstructive surgery options without much of a fuss. Some members cannot resist personal attacks as part of their "contributions", so I choose to avoid them. Civil debate could be possible except that many of your posts are nothing more than inflammatory. So, you reap what you sow. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) Other members provide valuable information that needs to be considered. I appreciate your information but there is other information we need to consider in the grand scheme of things, don't you think? Ideally, that would be the case. But there are times when stopping the real and potential conflict causing personal attacks and derails take precedence over digesting all information posted. Once the communications degrade to that level, no meaningful discourse can continue within the framework defined by forum rules. Edited June 15, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Ideally, that would be the case. But there are times when stopping the real and potential conflict causing personal attacks and derails take precedence over digesting all information posted. Once the communications degrade to that level, no meaningful discourse can continue within the framework defined by forum rules. You have got to be kidding You are one of the worst offenders when it comes to derailing threads. And, now, somehow, unbelievably, you have turned it against other members and have probably banished me. Go figure. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 You have got to be kidding You are one of the worst offenders when it comes to derailing threads. And, now, somehow, unbelievably, you have turned it against other members and have probably banished me. Go figure. EXACTLY. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 You have got to be kidding You are one of the worst offenders when it comes to derailing threads. And, now, somehow, unbelievably, you have turned it against other members and have probably banished me. Go figure. Nobody has been "banished" that I can see. Posts related to U.S. and other nation's health care systems are not derails considering the OP. However, members who refuse to stop the personal attacks and insults may be in for a bumpy ride. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
waldo Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 no one is attacking you personally/directly... what is being "attacked" is your charade deflection act that presumes to ignore, that refuses to acknowledge, the multitude of American comparative studies put forward in this thread. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Nobody has been "banished" that I can see. Posts related to U.S. and other nation's health care systems are not derails considering the OP. However, members who refuse to stop the personal attacks and insults may be in for a bumpy ride. It seems that any post that has weight and is contrary is deemed to be a personal attack. Sounds like back in the sandbox days! Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 no one is attacking you personally/directly... what is being "attacked" is your charade deflection act that presumes to ignore, that refuses to acknowledge, the multitude of American comparative studies put forward in this thread. This is an open discussion and if a member blocks another member, how can we possibly have a good discussion. It's simply ridiculous. How can any member seriously consider contributing when they don't know who is privy to all posts and who is ignoring posts. It is a silly childish game. Can we not be civilized adults and leave these games to our children. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 This is an open discussion and if a member blocks another member, how can we possibly have a good discussion. It's simply ridiculous. How can any member seriously consider contributing when they don't know who is privy to all posts and who is ignoring posts. It is a silly childish game. Can we not be civilized adults and leave these games to our children. Apparently not.....some members cannot resist the urge to insult and slur the messenger instead of the message. Forum rules plainly state to play the ball, not the player. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Jeez, not another bumpy ride! Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Apparently not.....some members cannot resist the urge to insult and slur the messenger instead of the message. Forum rules plainly state to play the ball, not the player. How on earth did you fool the senior members here? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) How on earth did you fool the senior members here? Off topic, but clearly I have prevailed when others have not. Please do not fall into the same trap. Shall we continue to discuss "dead last" U.S. health care instead ? B. Stronach's reconstructive surgery in L.A. continued a string of high profile Canadians seeking health care in the U.S. To use a Canadian term, this is "bad optics" politically and undermines any claim of a "dead last" health care system vis-a-vis Canada. Edited June 15, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Apparently not.....some members cannot resist the urge to insult and slur the messenger instead of the message. Forum rules plainly state to play the ball, not the player. Apparently you picked a fight here that you feel you are losing and all you wish to concentrate on is that fight. And damn any evidence which may blunt your thrust. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Off topic, but clearly I have prevailed when others have not. Please do not fall into the same trap. Shall we continue to discuss "dead last" U.S. health care instead ? B. Stronach's reconstructive surgery in L.A. continued a string of high profile Canadians seeking health care in the U.S. To use a Canadian term, this is "bad optics" politically and undermines any claim of a "dead last" health care system vis-a-vis Canada. Prevailed? simply because you're still here? There is more to prevelance than that I'm afraid. Quote
waldo Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 ... any claim of a "dead last" health care system these are not "claims"... these are the summation findings of American studies (by Americans for Americans) put forward within this thread - I believe the count is now up to 4 distinct comparative country studies all with similar results. Comparative results that show the U.S. spends more than any other country on its heathcare system while bringing forward the poorest returns... dead last and near the bottom comparative returns as compared to other representative countries. Quote
WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Ok my problem is that BC forwarding his sentences and then we have Waldo weighing in, but neither BC nor waldo can see each other's responses. How fucked up is that for a meaningful dialogue? Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Can we get a bit more grown up about this Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 Ok my problem is that BC forwarding his sentences and then we have Waldo weighing in, but neither BC nor waldo can see each other's responses. How fucked up is that for a meaningful dialogue? I am not "forwarding" any sentences. Members who I have chosen to ignore per the moderator's direction are free to do as they please within forum rules. My contention is that the U.S. is not "dead last" in health care (for several reasons). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
WestCoastRunner Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 I am not "forwarding" any sentences. Members who I have chosen to ignore per the moderator's direction are free to do as they please within forum rules. My contention is that the U.S. is not "dead last" in health care (for several reasons). If you truly believe that, you should come up with some concrete info, instead of bashing canadian healthcare. Let's bring this dialogue up a notch or two. I agree that our healthcare system is in dire need of improvement, and so is the u.s. This is not a competition. I think we are all on the same page that both countries need improvements in our health care programs. Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 I am not "forwarding" any sentences. Members who I have chosen to ignore per the moderator's direction are free to do as they please within forum rules. My contention is that the U.S. is not "dead last" in health care (for several reasons). And what about the several reasons that point out it is "dead last"? Hard to ignore them. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 15, 2014 Report Posted June 15, 2014 (edited) If you truly believe that, you should come up with some concrete info, instead of bashing canadian healthcare. Let's bring this dialogue up a notch or two. I agree that our healthcare system is in dire need of improvement, and so is the u.s. This is not a competition. I think we are all on the same page that both countries need improvements in our health care programs. It is only logical to counter the OP with direct evidence of other nations' low rankings and failing performance compared to the U.S. The OP directly engages and solicits such a comparison. For instance, I posted an OECD report that clearly ranks Canada's system lower for ER and elective surgery wait times. I have posted numerous reports of Canadians seeking and receiving health care in the U.S. when timely services were not provided or even available in their province. Lastly, I have highlighted the enormous investment that the provinces have made in measuring and reporting the wait times for treatment in direct response to domestic criticism of health care performance in Canada. Edited June 15, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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