Mass shooting

[guyser]

The US is in such a sad state they just have to point out every instance where Canada does it toooooo.

And that is wrong how?

[cybercoma]

Yeah, because the majority of said gun deaths are suicide………….

You interpret majority the same way Conservatives do.

[Guest American Woman]

You interpret majority the same way Conservatives do.

Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides.

[Guest Derek L]

You interpret majority the same way Conservatives do.

If by looking at actual data means being Conservative………guilty as charged:

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/suicide.htm

Firearm suicides

• Number of deaths: 19,392
  

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Murder Victims

Total firearms:

8,583

Murder Victims

Rifles

323

Murder Victims

Knives or cutting instruments

1,694

Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)

496

Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.)

728

[cybercoma]

Wow. Awesome. You have stats to show for 2009 based on a comment you made about 1968-2012. You only have 43 more years to go.

[cybercoma]

Let me save you some time. The article says it's 25%.

[Guest Derek L]

Let me save you some time. The article says it's 25%.

Exactly..........And in Canada homicides account for ~10-15%……..

Ban suicide!!!!

[Guest American Woman]

Let me save you some time. The article says it's 25%.

Ummm. That's just the stats for one year - 2011. As you pointed out, we are speaking of the years from 1968-2012.

Reality is, the stats change from year to year. In 2005, 55% of firearm deaths were suicides.

And once again: "Across the world, there are more deaths caused by suicide than from murder, war, and accidents combined."

Edited January 21, 2013 by American Woman

[cybercoma]

And people are for more successful committing suicide if they use a firearm. Hence, one of the reasons people are 43 times more likely to die by gunshot wound if they have a gun in the house.

So keep stocking up on guns.

[bush_cheney2004]

No, as Canadians have been very resourceful in committing suicide in the absence of easy access to "guns". They are now killing themselves more by suffocation & hanging over poisoning or firearms.

[dre]

Derek DID make one good point earlier on...

Ending the failed war on drugs and prostitution would do 5 times as much to stop gun violence than banning certain classes of guns.

[Bonam]

And people are for more successful committing suicide if they use a firearm. Hence, one of the reasons people are 43 times more likely to die by gunshot wound if they have a gun in the house.

Stupid stats can be used to show just about anything in contexts like these. Of course if you commit suicide, and have a gun in the house, you are more likely to have committed suicide using a gun. Duh. What about those of us not planning to commit suicide? Why should we care? Another example of how "social science" studies are often just mumbo-jumbo.

Edited January 22, 2013 by Bonam

[eyeball]

What about those of us not planning to commit suicide? Why should we care?

Have you had any indirect experience with suicide yet?

Edited January 22, 2013 by eyeball

[Guest Derek L]

No, as Canadians have been very resourceful in committing suicide in the absence of easy access to "guns". They are now killing themselves more by suffocation & hanging over poisoning or firearms.

Don't let facts get in the way....

[Guest Derek L]

Stupid stats can be used to show just about anything in contexts like these. Of course if you commit suicide, and have a gun in the house, you are more likely to have committed suicide using a gun. Duh. What about those of us not planning to commit suicide? Why should we care? Another example of how "social science" studies are often just mumbo-jumbo.

Exactly. Like I said earlier, as a society if we have various levels of support/counselling available for people considering offing themselves, and they still choose to end their own life, who are we to stop them?

[Guest American Woman]

And people are for more successful committing suicide if they use a firearm. Hence, one of the reasons people are 43 times more likely to die by gunshot wound if they have a gun in the house.

So keep stocking up on guns.

Considering suicide stats in the U.S. are comparable to Canada's, if people are much more successful using a firearm, makes one wonder what Canada's suicide stats would be if you had as many guns per capita as we do - because that "43 times more likely to die by gunshot would if they have a gun in the house" is by far due to suicides.

Do you ever stop to wonder why our suicide rate isn't off the charts? - why other developed nations without the guns have higher instances of suicide? Perhaps it's simply because so many more people in these other developed nations want to kill themselves? - which wouldn't speak so well of them - and that includes Canada - because if our suicide rate is a result of our guns, then it would be much lower than everyone else's if we had less. That's according to you..

[bush_cheney2004]

Sorry smuggies, looks like Canadians are spreading their gun loving ways around the world, from Algeria to the Philippines. This guy went off in court trying to beat a gun possession rap:

A Canadian man is dead after he opened fire in a courtroom in the Philippines today, killing two people and wounding a prosecutor before he was shot by officers, police said.

The man, identified by authorities in Cebu as 63-year-old John Pope, was in court to face illegal possession of firearms and other charges.

Pope was in court in central Cebu city, where he lived, when he pulled out a gun. He then shot a lawyer, Giovanni Achas, and Dr. Reynold Rafols, who had filed a case against him, reports said.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2013/01/21/philippines-canadian-kills-2.html

[punked]

Sorry smuggies, looks like Canadians are spreading their gun loving ways around the world, from Algeria to the Philippines. This guy went off in court trying to beat a gun possession rap:

A Canadian man is dead after he opened fire in a courtroom in the Philippines today, killing two people and wounding a prosecutor before he was shot by officers, police said.

The man, identified by authorities in Cebu as 63-year-old John Pope, was in court to face illegal possession of firearms and other charges.

Pope was in court in central Cebu city, where he lived, when he pulled out a gun. He then shot a lawyer, Giovanni Achas, and Dr. Reynold Rafols, who had filed a case against him, reports said.

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...an-kills-2.html

You really must be losing the argument to go digging. Mean while in America 5 people accidentally shot on gun appreciation day.

[bush_cheney2004]

....Do you ever stop to wonder why our suicide rate isn't off the charts? - why other developed nations without the guns have higher instances of suicide? Perhaps it's simply because so many more people in these other developed nations want to kill themselves? - which wouldn't speak so well of them - and that includes Canada - because if our suicide rate is a result of our guns, then it would be much lower than everyone else's if we had less. That's according to you..

I think they claimed that "religiosity" helped to reduce suicide rates in gun crazy America while "happiest" countries like Finland or Estonia have shy high suicide rates, where they are so happy they kill themselves at a higher rate. But your point is well taken....Americans have lots of guns, but lower or similar rates as Canada with its "gun gap".

[bush_cheney2004]

You really must be losing the argument to go digging. Mean while in America 5 people accidentally shot on gun appreciation day.

Go digging ? It is on the front page of your state controlled broad/webcaster. Together with Canadians killing hostages in Algeria, not a good week for the gun hating smuggies.

[punked]

Go digging ? It is on the front page of your state controlled broad/webcaster. Together with Canadians killing hostages in Algeria, not a good week for the gun hating smuggies.

Yah Canadian gun laws and regulations really prevent people in Algeria from getting guns. Wow you are desperate. BTW Ottawa right now says they have seen no proof that any Canadians were involved. You jumped on that quick with out any evidence didn't you? Must really be losing this thing.

[bush_cheney2004]

Yah Canadian gun laws and regulations really prevent people in Algeria from getting guns. Wow you are desperate. BTW Ottawa right now says they have seen no proof that any Canadians were involved. You jumped on that quick with out any evidence didn't you? Must really be losing this thing.

You are in denial....why would the Algerians or Philippinos lie ? I just think it curious that some Canadians bemoan the "quality" of immigrants to Canada while these Canadian perps go to Algeria or the P.I. and murder people...with GUNS !!

[punked]

You are in denial....why would the Algerians or Philippinos lie ? I just think it curious that some Canadians bemoan the "quality" of immigrants to Canada while these Canadian perps go to Algeria or the P.I. and murder people...with GUNS !!

Yah want to tell me more about these people. Were they born in Canada? When and how did they get their citizenship? Did they even have a citizenship? I'll away your answer I suspect you were so trying to change the subject from an argument you are losing you know no facts and nothing about any of these situations.

We can all smell the desperation from the hey look over there argument.

Edited January 22, 2013 by punked

[bush_cheney2004]

....We can all smell the desperation from the hey look over there argument.

Smuggies are like that...they can smell everyone elses foul stink but not their own.

Edited January 22, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[GostHacked]

Smuggies are like that...they can smell everyone elses foul stink but not their own.

So this is how you view yourself then? As a smuggie? I won't disagree with you on that one.