So do those Jerk Aussie DJs deserve to be fired?

[betsy]

It is not our firms' code. It is our professional designations' code that we have sworn an oath to uphold.

That is, any of our designated staff and partners have sworn an oath to uphold the professional designations' code.

Any staff who are not enrolled in courses with our professional designation need to be aware that they have P&C obligations too since they have access to P&C info and since they are not exposed to our professional code otherwise.

My professional staff have sworn an oath to the CEPROC which is not our firms' code. It is our professional designations code for which our professional trained staff have spent 10 years to be educated on (among other things like tax and accounting standards etc).

Those nurses also go through an education process that involves learning about dealing with P&C info among other things that nurses need to know.

And yet you don't want me as your accountant. I shall weep the night away over that.

Once again, when a professional takes an oath they are stating that they will conduct themselves in a professional manner and in accordance with the code they have sworn an oath on.

I have already shown the code that this nurse failed to follow and it is her responsibility to know the code and to know how to conduct herself in a professional manner.

She failed to do so.

Are you trying to claim now that this nurse isn't registered? That she is not a professional? Do you have any links to suggest that she was not a registered nurse? Please do share.

Once again there is nothing specialised about protecting P&C info other than know your code, know who you are talking to and make sure you have permission.

It is not rocket science.

Given just how professional nurses are in everyday life I think if I was a nurse I would be offended by your notion that a RN is not specialised enough to follow her own code for which she swore an oath upon.

Yes RN's make mistakes but most of the time they do follow their code and do not make the mistake that is nurse made.

IOW, nurses face this type of thing everyday and are prepared to deal with it.

If they make a mistake then they take responsibility for it since they have sworn an oath and promised not to do what they just mistakenly done.

Oh no! Consequences! Shocking, I know.

This is one of the issues that may come to light as the result of the inquiry.

]Advanced practice nursing is practiced by RNs who have specialized formal, post-basic education and who function in highly autonomous and specialized roles[/b].

http://occupations.c...eptionist-nurse

Thus that's one of the questions about these two nurses: Do they have specialized formal, post-basic education to function in highly autonomous and specialized roles? Were they given proper training in their designated roles?

You want to tar and feather based on very limited information - that's your choice. However, that would only be just your opinion.

I, on the other hand, think it only sensible to hold my judgement pending the inquiry, to know the facts....after all, that's what an inquiry is all about!

Edited December 30, 2012 by betsy

[guyser]

Thus that's one of the questions about these two nurses: Do they have specialized formal, post-basic education to function in highly autonomous and specialized roles? Were they given proper training in their designated roles?

I, on the other hand, think it only sensible to hold my judgement pending the inquiry, to know the facts....after all, that's what an inquiry is all about!

Man, talk about obstinate rationalizations especially in view of you being shown how you just dont get it.

Of course SOS...but anyway.

Heres the skinny, highly specialized or not, in fact from the lowest level RN position to the Masters designation of RPN and every level in between, they all know the privacy code that restricts releasing info.

This nurse failed that.

Do tell us whats so hard about understanding this? More comedy I hope.

[Guest American Woman]

Heres the skinny, highly specialized or not, in fact from the lowest level RN position to the Masters designation of RPN and every level in between, they all know the privacy code that restricts releasing info.

This nurse failed that.

Do tell us whats so hard about understanding this? More comedy I hope.

The thing is, she didn't release information - the just forwarded the call. We never hear anything about the nurse who actually gave out the information. At least I haven't. There has to be more to this than her 'humiliation' over the prank. I wonder why the contents of the suicide letters have not been released?

[msj]

The thing is, she didn't release information - the just forwarded the call. We never hear anything about the nurse who actually gave out the information.

I think he's talking about the second nurse (which is what the last several pages have been primarily about).

At some point something should come out about the second nurse - a reprimand from the hospital and/or her professional association.

I wonder why the contents of the suicide letters have not been released?

Maybe it's private information that the family is unwilling to release?

Why don't you phone the family by posing as an Aussie DJ posing as the Queen and see if you can get the scoop?

[betsy]

The thing is, she didn't release information - the just forwarded the call. We never hear anything about the nurse who actually gave out the information. At least I haven't. There has to be more to this than her 'humiliation' over the prank. I wonder why the contents of the suicide letters have not been released?

There's a lot of questions that have to be answered:

Being the receptionist, was the first nurse supposed to have done the verification, before patching it up to the second nurse.....or she didn't have to ask for the verification, but rather it would've been the second nurse that has to ask for verifications?

If the first nurse's duty was to verify and patch through only verified callers, does the policy of the hospital exonorate the second nurse of any wrongdoing in providing the information, since having the call patched through would mean the caller had already been verified?

Were both nurses supposed to ask for verifications?

Did the hospital give them a precise and clear instructions as part of their security policy - taking into consideration that Kate Middleton or any royal member is not your ordinary citizen but a very high profile individual?

The only thing clear here so far is the fact that a prank call was fraudulently committed, it got through so easily, and confidential information were given as a result.

Edited January 5, 2013 by betsy

[Guest American Woman]

I doubt if we'll hear any more about this; that seems to be the way of these things. I agree that the prank was not the right thing to do - I don't find something humorous when it's at an innocent people's expense. Furthermore, without permission from those involved to release the tape, it sounds as if the law was broken. I think people should be held accountable for that. I don't, however, think the nurse who committed suicide did so because of this incident. If she had, seems to me the content of her suicide notes would have been released. At any rate, if people are being blamed for her death when that's not the case, I don't think that's fair, either.

[betsy]

I doubt if we'll hear any more about this; that seems to be the way of these things. I agree that the prank was not the right thing to do - I don't find something humorous when it's at an innocent people's expense. Furthermore, without permission from those involved to release the tape, it sounds as if the law was broken. I think people should be held accountable for that. I don't, however, think the nurse who committed suicide did so because of this incident. If she had, seems to me the content of her suicide notes would have been released. At any rate, if people are being blamed for her death when that's not the case, I don't think that's fair, either.

Apparently she tried to commit suicide twice before the incident (2010?). Allegedly she's still on anti-depressant medications. That's another question for the hospital to answer. Did they know?

The last I heard was that the husband gave the hospital a separtate list of questions he wants answered - solely from the hospital. I don't know if true, but it was alleged the matron-nurse (supervisor) blasted the first nurse on the phone when the news of the prank came out. I wish we'd know the outcome....

Edited January 5, 2013 by betsy

[Guest American Woman]

I wish we'd know the outcome, too - it should be made known, and the DJ's cleared of the blame. What they did wasn't right, IMO, but blaming them for someone's death certainly isn't right, either; and quite frankly, a worse cross to have to bear, IMO.

[guyser]

There's a lot of questions that have to be answered:

There always will be with you, for one, you have a reading and learning comprehension problem, and two when advised of a correct answer you plug you ears and continue on being SOS.

Being the receptionist, was the first nurse supposed to have done the verification, before patching it up to the second nurse.....or she didn't have to ask for the verification, but rather it would've been the second nurse that has to ask for verifications?

If the first nurse's duty was to verify and patch through only verified callers, does the policy of the hospital exonorate the second nurse of any wrongdoing in providing the information, since having the call patched through would mean the caller had already been verified?

Were both nurses supposed to ask for verifications?

Did the hospital give them a precise and clear instructions as part of their security policy - taking into consideration that Kate Middleton or any royal member is not your ordinary citizen but a very high profile individual?

The only thing clear here so far is the fact that a prank call was fraudulently committed, it got through so easily, and confidential information were given as a result.

No the only clear thing is you cannot learn a damn thing when you stick your head too far up .

It has been said , time and time again, including links to show, that no nurse has any authority to give out info, it is not a nurses job to do so, no verification is needed because none can come from the third party calling in.

But hey, keep on being ignorant when you have been shown the facts

Amazing one can be so obstinate

Edited January 6, 2013 by guyser

[betsy]

betsy, on 05 January 2013 - 04:23 AM, said:

There's a lot of questions that have to be answered:

There always will be with you, for one, you have a reading and learning comprehension problem, and two when advised of a correct answer you plug you ears and continue on being SOS.

No the only clear thing is you cannot learn a damn thing when you stick your head too far up .

It has been said , time and time again, including links to show, that no nurse has any authority to give out info, it is not a nurses job to do so, no verification is needed because none can come from the third party calling in.

But hey, keep on being ignorant when you have been shown the facts.

Amazing one can be so obstinate

Speaking of ignorance and incomprehension.....

American Woman, on 03 January 2013 - 06:05 PM, said:

Yes, and sometimes burglaries do take place with someone inside.

Guyser:

They NEVER do. It just cannot happen. If it is a burglary then no one is home.

http://www.mapleleaf...ic=22138&st=210

You gotta admit.....your statement could be among the classic DUH of all time!

Now you know why I plug my ears....and don't bother with you....except for this one which is too good to pass up.

Ignorance will always show....hard to hide that! Especially when one has a very big mouth.

Edited January 6, 2013 by betsy

[guyser]

Speaking of ignorance and incomprehension.....

You gotta admit.....your statement could be among the classic DUH of all time!

If you understood the premise, and you dont, then you would see why you are wrong,

Now you know why I plug my ears....

I do.

You haven t a clue nor any ability to understand.

How embarassing for you.

SOS !

So, care to speak towards the facts that no nurse could 'verify' who the caller was and why it wouldnt matter who it was on the other end?

Is suspect not. But surprise me!

Edited January 7, 2013 by guyser

[Boges]

Why are people still posting in this thread?

Do I get some sort of credit for creating a 10 plus page thread?

[guyser]

Why are people still posting in this thread?

Do I get some sort of credit for creating a 10 plus page thread?

Naw, it would be a 4 page thread if someone didnt have a severe learning disability